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Re: New priest in Boston, KY
« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2018, 09:43:44 AM »
According to +W and the other 3 he consecrated, the formation seminarians at Pfeifferville are getting is not adequate for the priesthood, which is why they are not willing to support them with oils, Confirmations and Orders.

Whoah there. You're putting words into the bishop's mouth and/or assuming things you shouldn't assume.

Here are some things to consider, as a more plausible alternate explanation:

1. +W isn't ordaining them because the seminary is a joke. Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't implement the measures necessary (listed by +Williamson) to make it into a real seminary. Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't consent to being "under" +Williamson -- so you can't be surprised if +W won't ordain the seminarians.
2. As for the other sacraments, +Williamson has in the past gone out of his way to provide Confirmations a short drive from Boston, KY, so as not to suggest he approves of that sinkhole of scandal, or associate himself in any way with it!
3. Bishop Williamson has been soundly attacked in countless ways by Fr. Pfeiffer & Co. They shouldn't even *want* his Confirmations or his Holy Oils. They have soundly rejected him as a bishop. Why should the bishop feel guilty by not "taking care of" such a group? They want nothing to do with him; +W is just giving them what they want!


No one has a "right" to the priesthood. And a bishop (sacrament dispenser OR classic bishop with jurisdiction) will answer to God for every man he ordains to the priesthood. It's the bishop's job to make sure the candidate is worthy: adequately trained both spiritually and mentally to be adequate for the task. +Williamson didn't find an adequate program of spiritual OR intellectual formation at the Boston "seminary".

Re: New priest in Boston, KY
« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2018, 11:24:05 AM »
The Pfeiffer forum is making accusations of calumny for what is being said of Fr Poisson, and I can’t see how anyone can reasonably argue against the charge:

Speculation and rash judgment regarding his moral character is all I see in this thread.

Would it really have been so hard to wait for the grand jury report, which is soon to be made public?

For my own part, I am only voicing my concerns regarding the report of an extremely dubious conditional ordination by Mr. Ambrose Moran.

The moral discussion should have waited until the report was made public (unless there is some other concrete and credible evidence to support the accusations being made against this priest).

When and if that should transpire, I will hop on the bandwagon, but not before.

To make such accusations without any evidence better than “he was in PA” and “since Pfeiffer has expressed willingness to associate with those accused and/or convicted of grave moral offenses, it must be true in the present case too” is itself surely gravely rash matter.

And for the record, I am neither Smedley, Fanny, nor any of the other names mentioned on the Pfeiffer forum.

They have a point about the premature accusations constituting calumny, possible slander, and the textbook definition of rash judgment.

Mr. X,

We weren't born yesterday.

Pfeifferville has a long and ugly history.  This apostolate went off the rails in 2012 at the time it was conceived.
And the founders are quite suspect.  One being an exorcist fraud, who opened himself up to demonic possession.
A textbook case: "The devil IN Mr. Hernandez"



You come on here citing cries of calumny from the Pfeiffer "propaganda-blogs". But they fall on deaf ears.

There are no good fruits coming from the Pfeiffer farm. Everyone from there has been tainted.

The Pfieffer apostolate has broken-up families, ripped and confused the works of our legitimate trad resistance.
Just as it was designed to do.

It's very clear now. Hernandez/Pfeiffer are gathering a stable of priests with a cloud a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal about them.

And Fr. Poisson knew this.  He's had years to come up to speed on the Hernandez/Pfeiffer debacle.

Fr. Poisson wasn't born yesterday either.



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Re: New priest in Boston, KY
« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2018, 11:35:50 AM »
Mr. X,

We weren't born yesterday.

Pfeifferville has a long and ugly history.  This apostolate went off the rails in 2012 at the time it was conceived.
And the founders are quite suspect.  One being an exorcist fraud, who opened himself up to demonic possession.
A textbook case: "The devil IN Mr. Hernandez"



You come on here citing cries of calumny from the Pfeiffer "propaganda-blogs". But they fall on deaf ears.

There are no good fruits coming from the Pfeiffer farm. Everyone from there has been tainted.

The Pfieffer apostolate has broken-up families, ripped and confused the works of our legitimate trad resistance.
Just as it was designed to do.

It's very clear now. Hernandez/Pfeiffer are gathering a stable of priests with a cloud a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ scandal about them.

And Fr. Poisson knew this.  He's had years to come up to speed on the Hernandez/Pfeiffer debacle.

Fr. Poisson wasn't born yesterday either.
Dear Sir-
Because I want you to go to heaven, and do not therefore want to intensify your obstinacy, I will not argue with you.
Maybe when you have some quiet time, you can focus your concentration on what I have said.
Pax, friend.

Re: New priest in Boston, KY
« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2018, 11:44:58 AM »
Whoah there. You're putting words into the bishop's mouth and/or assuming things you shouldn't assume.

Here are some things to consider, as a more plausible alternate explanation:

1. +W isn't ordaining them because the seminary is a joke. [In other words, their formation is inadequate, which is what I said.] Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't implement the measures necessary (listed by +Williamson) to make it into a real seminary. Fr. Pfeiffer wouldn't consent to being "under" +Williamson [See below] -- so you can't be surprised if +W won't ordain the seminarians.
2. As for the other sacraments, +Williamson has in the past gone out of his way to provide Confirmations a short drive from Boston, KY, so as not to suggest he approves of that sinkhole of scandal, or associate himself in any way with it! [Probably the easiest way to avoid the "lay exorcist," too!]
3. Bishop Williamson has been soundly attacked in countless ways by Fr. Pfeiffer & Co. They shouldn't even *want* his Confirmations or his Holy Oils. They have soundly rejected him as a bishop. Why should the bishop feel guilty by not "taking care of" such a group? They want nothing to do with him; +W is just giving them what they want! [See below again -- this is not the only case.]

No one has a "right" to the priesthood. And a bishop (sacrament dispenser OR classic bishop with jurisdiction) will answer to God for every man he ordains to the priesthood. It's the bishop's job to make sure the candidate is worthy: adequately trained both spiritually and mentally to be adequate for the task. +Williamson didn't find an adequate program of spiritual OR intellectual formation at the Boston "seminary".
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I don't claim to be the expert in this; the whole situation is complex and unseemly, a blight on the Traditional movement. 
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I was making some observations based on what I've heard in the online sermons and conferences of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, as well as the +W videos. They have a lot of good teaching to offer but then pops up these sore points of contention and disagreement. I know Catholics who are repulsed from Trad groups for this very reason; so overall, it has the effect of driving the youth away to Indult or FSSP or even Novus Ordo, where they can at least imagine that they "feel good." 
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What's a bit alarming is to hear Fr. Pfeiffer say he has sent messages to +W at Broadstairs asking to meet him there, but +W responded that if Fr. P shows up, +W won't be available. Then he said he wants to sit down with +W and show him where he's wrong. Effectively, it pans out to Fr. P not wanting to be "under" +W because Fr. P wants to be "over" +W -- he wants to CORRECT the Bishop. As if he covets the episcopal rank. Then there would be two more bishops opposing each other, as if we don't already have enough of that. ("There will be bishops against bishops...") Can you imagine Fr. P getting so-called consecrated a bishop by Ambrose-Moran? Maybe that's in his long range plans... When A-M gets old and feeble, how would he do otherwise than help out the Priest who "saved" him?
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As for Fr. Pfeiffer not wanting +W's oils or Confirmations, he has several times made clear that Roman Catholics should have nothing to do with Eastern rites -- with a vague reference to Eastern Orthodox, but he doesn't make that clear. With the hyperbole he is accustomed to, it certainly sounds like he has an abiding revulsion of everything Eastern. I have yet to hear him say anything positive about the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, for example. Then he turns around and tries to make excuses for the self-professed history of Ambrose-Moran, as if everyone should ignore all of Fr. P's denigration of the Eastern Rites. What I'm saying is, when he's critical of +W then expects +W to help him, it's not too different from him being critical of Eastern Rites then expecting Ambrose-Moran to help him. IOW it's not a matter of PRINCIPLE with Fr. P, so much a matter of his own consistent self-contradiction. 

Re: New priest in Boston, KY
« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2018, 11:46:11 AM »
I do not hold the position that ordinations by a NO bishop are auto invalid.

That's the traditio.com position, hence, he calls them presbyters.

I hold the ABL position that the new rites are deficient displeasing, not auto invalid.

It is still about Matter, Form, and Intent.