Author Topic: New priest in Boston, KY (Read 17346 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #50 on:** July 26, 2018, 11:55:34 PM »

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According to Fr. Pfeiffer, +W and the 3 bishops he consecrated are bent on starving OLMC out by refusing them blessed oils, Confirmations and Ordinations. It seems to follow then that if he wants a conditional re-ordination he would be refused that as well, which is why he would need to look elsewhere. They keep saying "God will provide," but they're running out of time. Maybe God is waiting for Fr. P to give the Amateur Exorcist the boot; why he doesn't, might have something to do with money.
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From the perspective of outside OLMC, however, going to Ambrose-Moran is not a solution but just another problem.
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According to +W and the other 3 he consecrated, the formation seminarians at Pfeifferville are getting is not adequate for the priesthood, which is why they are not willing to support them with oils, Confirmations and Orders.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #51 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:39:05 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat on July 26, 2018, 11:55:34 PM

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According to Fr. Pfeiffer, +W and the 3 bishops he consecrated are bent on starving OLMC out by refusing them blessed oils, Confirmations and Ordinations. It seems to follow then that if he wants a conditional re-ordination he would be refused that as well, which is why he would need to look elsewhere. They keep saying "God will provide," but they're running out of time. Maybe God is waiting for Fr. P to give the Amateur Exorcist the boot; why he doesn't, might have something to do with money.
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From the perspective of outside OLMC, however, going to Ambrose-Moran is not a solution but just another problem.
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According to +W and the other 3 he consecrated, the formation seminarians at Pfeifferville are getting is not adequate for the priesthood, which is why they are not willing to support them with oils, Confirmations and Orders.

While I wouldn't confer Orders, I'd have no real problem with Confirmations and oils (such as for Extreme Unction). I wouldn't have the faithful be punished on account of the cult leaders. And the Confirmations and Orders have little to do with the quality of their seminary. I think it has to do with the fact that Father Pfeiffer keeps publicly attacking Bishop Williamson.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #52 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:43:48 AM »

Quote from: Matthew on July 26, 2018, 07:20:01 PM

If the NO bishop is a bishop, then you're fine. If he's not a bishop, it doesn't matter what he says or does.
Many Trads have serious issues with the new Rite of ordination and the new Rite of consecration. That is why the old SSPX used to conditionally ordain priests coming in from the Conciliar Church. They don't anymore...

Father Casavantes, who used to work with the SSPX, had been ordained personally by JP2 in Rome. He himself didn't have any doubts about the validity of the orders, but said that he wanted to be conditionally ordained so that the faithful could be at peace, and the SSPX had insisted on it also for that reason. I always found that hilarious, that a priest ordained by John Paul II himself was conditionally ordained. Father Casavantes eventually went over to the FSSP and is still there.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #53 on:** July 27, 2018, 08:52:37 AM »

And this is another interesting angle on the SSPX regularization.

Here are the FSSP priests in the USA ... about 97. I guess that the SSPX has about half of that, no? (I've actually lost count.)
https://fssp.com/new-priest-assignments-announced/

Once the SSPX is "regularized" and they start intermingling with Novus Ordo motu types priests as well as with the FSSP, then what's the difference if the faithful attend an SSPX chapel or an FSSP chapel? At that point, will the SSPX merge with or be absorbed by the FSSP? They'd both then be competing for the same market share. So the faithful would in effect be having to chose between Kellogg's Raisin Bran cereal and Post Raisin Bran. At the end of the day, they'll just pick based on which chapel is closer and/or possibly which priest(s) they like better. At that point, the group with the most chapels will win out over time.

JPaul · « **Reply #54 on:** July 27, 2018, 09:08:31 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on July 27, 2018, 08:39:05 AM

While I wouldn't confer Orders, I'd have no real problem with Confirmations and oils (such as for Extreme Unction). I wouldn't have the faithful be punished on account of the cult leaders. And the Confirmations and Orders have little to do with the quality of their seminary. I think it has to do with the fact that Father Pfeiffer keeps publicly attacking Bishop Williamson.

That is a reasonable position to take, it does go to show that there is more going on here than what is said. It would seem that the refusal of all spiritual goods has the purpose of separating those who are left who still have faith in Father Pfeiffer's efforts, from him and driving them to the other "resistance" chapels.
Anyway, if you want to suss out what happened , you have to go back to the beginning, when +W was still in England and Father Pfeiffer was pleading with him to step forward and commit to leading a resistance movement. It is there that the truth is likely to be found before this became a matter of one man's word against another's

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