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New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
« on: August 08, 2023, 03:22:31 PM »
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  • Interesting primarily because of the rumor that Rome was approving bishops for the SSPX, and the rumor that the canonical structure for a reconciled SSPX would be a personal prelature.  Is there any link between this new legislation and Rome/Menzingen's plans for the SSPX?

    https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/motu_proprio/docuмents/20230808-motu-proprio-prelature-personali.html





    APOSTOLIC LETTER
    IN THE FORM OF A "MOTU PROPRIO"
    OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
    FRANCIS
    BY WHICH CANN. 295-296
    RELATING TO PERSONAL PRELATURES ARE MODIFIED



    Personal prelatures are, for the first time, mentioned by the Second Vatican Council in the Decree Presbyterorum ordinis, No. 10, with regard to the distribution of presbyters, as part of the solicitude for all the Churches.

    This spirit is taken up by the same Council in the Decree Ad gentes, which states "where, in order to make particular pastoral works easier for the different social classes, provision is made for the establishment of personal prelatures, as the proper exercise of the apostolate will have required" (note 105).

    The Motu Proprio Ecclesiae Sanctae (Aug. 6, 1966), in the article devoted to "Distribution of clergy and aids to be provided to the dioceses," regarding Prelatures recalls: "in order to encourage special pastoral or missionary initiatives in favor of certain regions or social groups, which need special help, Prelatures may fruitfully be erected by the Apostolic See composed of presbyters of the secular clergy, possessing special training, endowed with their own statutes and under the direction of their own Prelate" (I,4).

    In the 1983 Code of Canon Law, consistent with this view, personal prelatures are placed in Book II, under Title IV of Part I, where they deal with "the Christian faithful," among "sacred ministers or clerics" (Title III) and "associations of the faithful" (Title V).

    Considering that with the Apostolic Constitution Praedicate evangelium (March 19, 2022), Art. 117, the competence over personal prelatures was transferred to the Dicastery for the Clergy, on which also depend the public clerical associations with the faculty to incardinate clerics (Art. 118, 2);

    Given canon 265 and art. 6 of M.P. Ad charisma tuendum (July 14, 2022)

    I now dispose of the following:

    Art. 1

    To can. 295, § 1, concerning statutes and the Prelate, it is added that the personal Prelature is "assimilated to public clerical associations of pontifical right with the faculty of incardinating clerics," that its statutes may be "approved or enacted by the Apostolic See," and that the Prelate acts "as Moderator, endowed with the faculties of an Ordinary," resulting in the canon in question being formulated as follows:

    Can. 295, § 1. The personal prelature, which is similar to public clerical associations of pontifical law with the ability to incardinate clerics, is governed by statutes approved or emanated by the Apostolic See and presided over by the Prelate as Moderator, endowed with the faculties of an Ordinary, who has the right to erect a national or international seminary as well as to incardinate students, and promote them to orders under title of service to the prelature.

    Art. 2

    In can. 295, § 2, concerning the responsibilities of the Prelate regarding the formation and sustenance of the incardinated clerics of the Prelature, it is specified that he acts "as Moderator, endowed with the faculties of an Ordinary," resulting in the same canon being worded as follows:

    Can. 295, § 2. As a Moderator endowed with the faculties of an Ordinary, the Prelate must provide either for the spiritual education of those whom he has promoted by the aforementioned title, or for their dignified support.

    Art. 3

    To can. 296, concerning the participation of the laity in the apostolic activities of the personal prelature, the reference to can. 107 is added, resulting in the above-mentioned canon worded as follows:

    Can. 296. Servatis can. 107 according to the provisions and agreements entered into with the prelature, the laity can dedicate themselves to the apostolic works of the personal prelature; but the manner of this organic cooperation and the main duties and rights connected with it, shall be determined appropriately in the statutes.

    What has been deliberated by this Apostolic Letter in the form of a Motu Proprio, I order to be firm and stable in force, notwithstanding anything to the contrary even if worthy of special mention, and to be promulgated in L'Osservatore Romano, entering into force on the day of its publication, and thus included in the official commentary of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis.

    Given in Rome, at St. Peter's, on the Memorial of St. Dominic, this 8th day of August 2023, the eleventh of the Pontificate.

    FRANCIS
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #1 on: August 08, 2023, 03:34:20 PM »
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #2 on: August 08, 2023, 03:36:35 PM »
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  • The link it's not working.

    It contains a Cathinfo forbidden word.  You will have to copy/paste the link into your search browser.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #3 on: August 08, 2023, 05:21:31 PM »
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  • It contains a Cathinfo forbidden word.  You will have to copy/paste the link into your search browser.

    Sean, go into your member profile and turn off the forbidden word rewrite rules.

    https://www.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/motu_proprio/docuмents/20230808-motu-proprio-prelature-personali.html

    We've have to look at the before and after of the Canon Law cited to see what precisely he was changing.

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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #4 on: August 08, 2023, 05:33:54 PM »
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #5 on: August 08, 2023, 05:56:28 PM »
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    Wait, what?  It worked initially, then went back to weird.  I give up.
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #6 on: August 08, 2023, 06:57:47 PM »
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  • Wait, what?  It worked initially, then went back to weird.  I give up.

    What do you mean?  Your post is clear and unscambled for me.  It won't go back in time to fix past posts.

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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2023, 07:14:40 PM »
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  • I think I understand it now, it only uncensores posts made by members with their auto-censoring turned off? Because I have it off, but still see altered words from other users.
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #8 on: August 08, 2023, 07:31:33 PM »
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  • There have been rumors of the reconciliation of the SSPX with Rome for over 40 years now.  I remember it from the early 1980s.  Don't know how they get started.

    I'll believe it when it happens.

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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #9 on: August 08, 2023, 09:09:16 PM »
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  • There have been rumors of the reconciliation of the SSPX with Rome for over 40 years now.  I remember it from the early 1980s.  Don't know how they get started.

    I'll believe it when it happens.

    How would you know if it happened?

    It might have happened years ago already.
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #10 on: August 08, 2023, 10:17:59 PM »
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  •  At first reading the main change seems to be demoting the Prelate from being the Ordinary to being a Moderator possessing the faculties of an Ordinary. An Ordinary, at least in theory, can act freely, whereas a Moderator requires the consent of his council to do anything substantive.
     It makes for a good way to be able to appoint a conservative or traditional leaning person to the position while his council prevents him from making any real changes. There's probably more to it; a wily one Francis is.


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    Can. 295 §1. The statutes established by the Apostolic See govern a personal prelature, and a prelate presides over it as the proper ordinary; he has the right to erect a national or international seminary and even to incardinate students and promote them to orders under title of service to the prelature.

    §2. The prelate must see to both the spiritual formation and decent support of those whom he has promoted under the above-mentioned title.

    Can. 296 Lay persons can dedicate themselves to the apostolic works of a personal prelature by agreements entered into with the prelature. The statutes, however, are to determine suitably the manner of this organic cooperation and the principal duties and rights connected to it.


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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #11 on: August 09, 2023, 12:46:02 AM »
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  • How would you know if it happened?

    It might have happened years ago already.
    They couldn't really keep a personal prelature secret.  (Or could they?)

    I'm reminded here of Delta House's "double secret probation" in Animal House.

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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #12 on: August 09, 2023, 04:32:49 PM »
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  • They couldn't really keep a personal prelature secret.  (Or could they?)

    I'm reminded here of Delta House's "double secret probation" in Animal House.
    Well, here is one possible consideration: +Lefebvre had it in his mind that he was going to consecrate Bishops prior to June 1988. In order to prevent a mass defection from the Society, both of clergy and of laity, the foundations were laid for the consecrations well in advance.

    first, from what I understand, the discussions amongst the senior priests, superiors, seminary rectors, etc were had and these clergy were polled. Material justifying the consecrations was circulated to the priests ahead of time. 

    as far as the laity go, from what I recall, conferences justifying consecrations were held in some of the larger Mass centres, St Mary’s etc. Bishop Williamson dedicated his Eleison comments to justifying future consecrations. Etc. Archbishop Lefebvre knew and understood that an event as momentous as the consecration of 4 Bishops would provoke an extreme reaction, and understandably wanted to limit the number of defections from the Society’s rank. 

    it is the same thing for a reconciliation, except now, the Society has to lay the ground work to undo the good, sound education drilled into the heads of the long time Society priests and faithful. The Priests who would be most vocally opposed have already been purged, so as to prevent them taking large numbers of faithful with them. 

    I am skeptical of Sean’s theory that a secret recognition has already taken place, but I think it is more likely that we are in the “reprogramming” phase designed to soften us to an imminent recognition. 
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #13 on: August 09, 2023, 04:54:57 PM »
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  • I am skeptical of Sean’s theory that a secret recognition has already taken place, but I think it is more likely that we are in the “reprogramming” phase designed to soften us to an imminent recognition.

    Just to clarify:

    While I do hold it as a posssibility that a formal recognition ("in pectore") has already transpired, with the incremental revelation of that recognition taking place in parts (e.g., recognition in Argentina, jurisdiction for confessions; jurisdiction for marriages; permission to ordain priests; etc. etc.), the scenario I find most probable at present it this:

    That there is a "gentlemen's agreement" (i.e., unwritten) between Rome and Menzingen, whereby Rome extends a recognition of tolerance ad tempus (i.e., a probationary and de facto, but not de jure recognition), in exchange for the SSPX's continued "good behavior" (i.e., no preaching against Roman modernism or Vatican II, except in oblique and secondary ways; continuing to come around to conciliarism by preaching the conciliar/"official" church is the Catholic Church; preparing the faithful for the acceptance of a de jure accord). 

    By this means, the SSPX will continue to chase the de jure recognition at the price off silence, by which means the clergy and faithful become evermore open t oconservative conciliarism, and Rome's problem vanishes, while the denuded neo-SSPX eventually gains it's coveted agreement...but only at the price of having lost tradition.
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    Re: New Motu Proprio: What's Francis Up To?
    « Reply #14 on: August 10, 2023, 01:05:49 PM »
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  • This author sees it as a Jesuit-Opus Dei battle:

    https://cathcon.blogspot.com/2023/08/jesuit-cardinal-ghirlanda-triumphs-and.html
    August 08, 2023
    Jesuit Cardinal Ghirlanda triumphs and Pope dynamites Opus Dei
    The Holy See this morning made public a new Motu proprio signed by Pope Francis that directly affects Opus Dei.




    Pope Francis converts the personal prelatures into "public clerical associations of pontifical right with the faculty of incardinating clerics", so that the laity would remain outside the Work although "the laity can dedicate themselves to the apostolic works of the personal prelature; but the form of this organic cooperation and the principal duties and rights related to it will be suitably determined in the statutes". These statutes are already in the hands of the Dicastery of the Clergy.
    With this move, the Pope intends to make it clear that the lay members of Opus Dei remain under the jurisdiction of their bishop and makes it almost impossible for there to be any juridical link between the laity and Opus Dei in the future.
    After the support that the Pope has received from the young people of Opus Dei and the apostolic work of the Prelature by attending World Youth Day (many thousands of young people who are trained under the protection of Opus Dei), the Pope responds with a stab in the back against this Institution, making amends to St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Jesuit Cardinal Gianfranco Ghirlanda has succeeded, 40 years later, in imposing his clerical vision of what personal prelatures should be.
    We offer you the full motu proprio in English translation:
    APOSTOLIC LETTER
    IN THE FORM OF A MOTU PROPRIO
    OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
    FRANCIS
    WHEREBY CANN. 295-296 CONCERNING PERSONAL PRELATURES ARE MODIFIED
    Personal Prelatures are, for the first time, mentioned by the Second Vatican Council in the Decree Presbyterorum Ordinis, no. 10, with regard to the distribution of presbyters, in the context of solicitude for all Churches.
    This spirit is taken up by the same Council in the Decree Ad gentes, which states "where, in order to make particular pastoral works easier for the different social classes, provision is made for the establishment of personal prelatures, as the proper exercise of the apostolate will have required" (footnote 105).
    The Motu Proprio Ecclesiae Sanctae (6 August 1966), in the article dedicated to "Distribution of the clergy and aid to be given to the dioceses", regarding Prelatures recalls: "in order to encourage special pastoral or missionary initiatives in favour of certain regions or social groups, which need special help, Prelatures composed of priests of the secular clergy, possessing a particular formation, endowed with their own statutes and under the direction of their own Prelate, may fruitfully be erected by the Apostolic See" (I,4).
    In the 1983 Code of Canon Law, in line with this vision, personal Prelatures are placed in Book II, under Title IV of Part I, where they deal with 'the Christian faithful', between 'sacred ministers or clerics' (Title III) and 'associations of the faithful' (Title V).
    Considering that with the Apostolic Constitution Praedicate evangelium (19 March 2022), Art. 117, the competence over personal prelatures was transferred to the Dicastery for the Clergy, on which the public clerical associations with the faculty to incardinate clerics also depend (Art. 118, 2);
    Considering Canon 265 and Art. 6 of the M.P. Ad charisma tuendum (14 July 2022)
    I now decree the following:
    Art. 1
    To Canon 295, § 1, concerning the statutes and the Prelate, it is added that the personal Prelature is 'assimilated to public clerical associations of pontifical right with the faculty of incardinating clerics', that its statutes can be 'approved or issued by the Apostolic See' and that the Prelate acts 'as Moderator, endowed with the faculties of an Ordinary', resulting in the canon in question being formulated as follows
    Can. 295, § 1. Praelatura personalis, quae consociationibus publicis clericalibus iuris pontificii cuм facultate incardinandi clericos assimilatur, regitur statutis ab Apostolica Sede probatis vel emanatis eique praeficitur Praelatus veluti Moderator, facultatibus Ordinarii praeditus, cui ius est nationale vel internationale seminarium erigere necnon alumnos incardinare, eosque titulo servitii praelaturae ad ordines promovere.
    Art. 2
    In can. 295, § 2, concerning the responsibilities of the Prelate regarding the formation and support of incardinated clerics of the Prelature, it is specified that he acts 'as Moderator, endowed with the faculties of an Ordinary', and the same canon is formulated as follows
    Can. 295, § 2. Utpote Moderator facultatibus Ordinarii praeditus, Praelatus prospicere debet sive spirituali institutioni illorum, quos titulo praedicto promoverit, sive eorundem decorae sustentationi.
    Art. 3
    To Canon 296, relative to the participation of the laity in the apostolic activities of the personal prelature, the reference to canon 107 is added, resulting in the above-mentioned canon as follows
    Can. 296. Servatis can. 107 praescriptis, conventionibus cuм praelatura initis, laici operibus apostolicis praelaturae personalis sese dedicare possunt; modus vero huius organicae cooperationis atque praecipua officia et iura cuм illa coniuncta in statutis apte determinentur.
    What has been resolved by this Apostolic Letter in the form of a Motu Proprio, I order to be firm and stable in force, notwithstanding anything to the contrary even if worthy of special mention, and to be promulgated in L'Osservatore Romano, coming into force on the day of publication, and then included in the official commentary of the Acta Apostolicae Sedis.
    Given at Rome, at Saint Peter's, on the memorial of Saint Dominic, this 8th day of August 2023, the eleventh of the Pontificate.
    FRANCIS
    Cathcon: When I was in Brussels, Opus Dei and the Jesuits used to fight it out for influence at the top of the European Commission. Pope John Paul II turned to Opus Dei to fulfil the role that the Jesuits had forsaken after the Council of loyally doing the Pope's ecclesiastical will. Now, with a Jesuit Pope, it is payback time. So much for lay involvement. Francis does not really believe in it, especially if the laity ruin his modernist schemes.