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Offline AntiFellayism

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New interview with Fr. Pfluger
« on: October 16, 2012, 08:02:22 PM »
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  • At least it was worthwhile to see the admission people relate to neo-SSPX the same way they do it with the Ecclesia Dei Community and Diocesan Priests of Motu Proprio:

    (...)"They observe the Society, follow it with interest, seek to contact us, ask for our publications, and stay in communication with us. The same holds for the Ecclesia Dei communities, and among diocesan priests, who, thanks to the Motu Proprio of 2007, have begun to celebrate the Tridentine Mass".

    Other signs of his liberalism and the pitiful "I'm not canonically regularized syndrome", includes:

    "For our part, we suffer also from a defect: the fact of our canonical irregularity. The status of the post-conciliar Church is imperfect, nor is our status the ideal".

    "We ourselves, Catholics faithful to Tradition, suffer from the crisis in two ways. We participate in this crisis, albeit on a different and higher level, as I see it. There is no denying the obligation to take an active part in overcoming the crisis. And this combat begins with us, by desiring to overcome our abnormal canonical status".

    Note also the demagogue and hypocritical threats this Priest places on a Bishop. Confirming even a punishment with expulsion. Where is the respect for (higher) authority????? Bunch of pharisees!

    I won't quote him anymore, read for yourself if you have the stomach because I'm sick and about to throw up in disgust seeing how these liberals have turn the Society of the great Archbishop into a FSSP...

    http://www.sspx.org/sspx_and_rome/back_to_square_one_fr_pfluger_interview_10-16-2012.htm
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    New interview with Fr. Pfluger
    « Reply #1 on: October 17, 2012, 12:15:04 PM »
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  • Thanks for the heads-up, AF.

    A pretty sound answer to those who claim that the push for
    regularization is no longer active, is given in the first sentence:



    Kirchliche Umschau: Just a few months ago, the Vatican seemed to be on the verge of granting canonical recognition to the Society. It seems now that all efforts were in vain. Bishop Mueller, the new Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, suggested as much in several recent interviews.

    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: All efforts were not in vain, but an agreement in the near future is improbable.



    So, maybe not the "near future" but the efforts are still ongoing,
    in other words.  So the push is still on, contrary to the claims of
    those who would allot too much confidence to the Menzingen-
    denizens.

    Then you have the undercurrent of +Williamson-is-the-
    boogey-man syndrome. Every word that Pfluger uses in regards
    to criticism of +Fellay on the Internet is scooped up and heaped
    on the head of +Williamson:



    Kirchliche Umschau: The General Chapter was held in July. What position was taken by members of the Chapter?

    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: We laid down six guidelines to be met before any reunion with Rome. These were so many touchstones which restated the points to which we have always held fast. Our position was reinforced once more.

    Kirchliche Umschau: On the Internet, there is a debate over this issue. Thundering condemnations are hurled at the Society’s leaders, who are accused of treason.

    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: You are quoting Bishop Williamson, who was excluded from the General Chapter by the great majority of superiors. That shows how strongly united we are.



    First off, they "laid down six" USELESS and stupid "guidelines"
    that have no power to effect ANYTHING "before any reunion with
    Rome." Oh, but if anyone has anything to say about that, the
    responsibility for the mere fact that they are thinking it rests
    squarely on the shoulders of the boogey-man Himself.

    When Pfluger says, "You are quoting Bishop Williamson," he does
    not mean you are quoting him.  Fr. Pfluger practices the
    Teilhardian and Modernist redefinition of words, such that what Fr.
    Pfluger would LIKE you to think +Williamson said is what he is
    "QUOTED" as having said.  In H.E.'s own words, it is a problem of
    subjectivism.  Fr. Pfluger's own subjective reality is all that
    matters to him, and objective facts have no place in what he
    would lead you to believe.

    And, come to think of it, IT'S NO WONDER that Fr. Pfluger would
    be upset like a teenage girl over what the Lion Himself has to say
    on this topic, because it BLOWS HIS COVER, and Fr. Pfluger
    really, really wants to have his cover covered instead of blown!  

    Oh, but remember, "...let no one imagine that he can criticize
    authority with impunity."  What Pfluger says goes, because he's
    part of the Menzingen-denizens of Truth.  Authority is everything.  
    If he says black is white, then shut-up and obey.  Check it out:




    Kirchliche Umschau: One question remains. Why is it that Bishop Fellay seems to have done nothing against the smear campaign mounted against him these last few months over the Internet?

    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: Patience, kindness, and generosity appear to many as weaknesses, but this is not so. Faced with repeated attacks and harassment over the Internet, we do not abandon our values and our principles. We deal with plotting and intrigues according to the laws of the Church. This may seem like procrastination which can be annoying to some, but it can’t be done any other way if we don’t want to betray our own ideals. I would like to make this clear: let no one imagine that he can criticize authority with impunity.




    He's really wearing out this word, "many."  Whenever you see
    a Menzingen-denizen say "many" in regards to people, what he's
    really saying is, anyone who disagrees with him, or anyone who
    dares to expose the fallacy of his illusions.

    When Pfluger says that black is white, what he means is that he
    is practicing "patience, kindness, and generosity," which may
    "appear to be weakness, but this is not so."  Why? Because,
    don't you dare think you can criticize his authority with
    impunity, that's why.  

    See how patient, kind and generous he is?



    Kirchliche Umschau: What does this mean specifically?

    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: Bishop Williamson has been given fair warning. This is a sad moment in the history of our Society. If he continues his Internet campaign against the Society and its Superior General, then his expulsion from the Society cannot be avoided. Besides his false ideas, he has plotted under cover. The veritable tragedy is the fact that for years he has not accepted the authority of the Superior General, but has assigned to himself a God-given mission. Before the General Chapter, he rallied priests and faithful to rebellion. For a Catholic bishop, this is very serious.




    You see, it's always Bishop Williamson.  You know, once he's
    expelled, like the fulfillment of Pfluger's lifelong (e.d.) dreams,
    who will be left for Pfluger to blame for all their problems?  Will
    they then focus their patient, kind and generous forked tongue
    on the lingering Bishop de Mallerais? Or will they rather bestow
    the inestimable beneficence of their patient, kind and generous
    vitriol
    on Bishop de Galarreta instead?  Time will tell, won't it?



    One thing's for sure.  I must say that this interview copy is a lot
    easier to understand than the transcript of +Fellay's sermon of
    October 7th, the Feast of the Holy Rosary (in which he made
    absolutely no mention of the Rosary).  Perhaps it's due to the
    good work of a qualified translator-person, but who knows?  In
    any event, I don't have to wonder if I'm not getting the point,
    even if I have to read between the lines.  At least the lines
    themselves are intelligible.

    But I must likewise say, that if not for AF's warning, I would
    most likely have been sucked in to the smooth illusions of this
    most slick purveyor of fantasy, a.k.a. Fr. Pfluger.


    And therefore, thanks are due to Anti_Fellayism, for I was not
    hoodwinked by the soft, smooth tones of equivocation and false
    pacifism that are now altogether obvious in the beginning of this
    interview.  

    Many thanks!  I most sincerely appreciate this enlightening
    opportunity to see through the erstwhile fog of unknowing.

    Much obliged, Anti_Fellayism, much obliged!! "You done good."

    (That's redneck for "You have done well.")
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #2 on: October 17, 2012, 12:31:20 PM »
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  • One more thing:



    Kirchliche Umschau: What does this mean specifically?

    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: Bishop Williamson has been given fair warning. This is a sad moment in the history of our Society. If he continues his Internet campaign against the Society and its Superior General, then his expulsion from the Society cannot be avoided. Besides his false ideas, he has plotted under cover. The veritable tragedy is the fact that for years he has not accepted the authority of the Superior General, but has assigned to himself a God-given mission. Before the General Chapter, he rallied priests and faithful to rebellion. For a Catholic bishop, this is very serious.




    His "false ideas?" His "false ideas?" Notice please: not a single
    example of ONE "false idea" of His Excellency Bishop Williamson
    is offered, and there is a very good reason for this. There are
    none to be found!

    And, "he has plotted under cover?" He has, has he? And pray
    tell, what is a single example of his "plotting under cover" can
    you provide? None? Oh. Okay. So there are none, are there?
    That's two for two, boogaloo.

    Finally, the "veritable tragedy" is rather the dog-and-pony show
    that the Menzingen-denizens are parading around as if it were
    something credible.


    That's three strikes: You're Out!

    (In America, baseball is part of our culture.)





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    Offline Stubborn

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    « Reply #3 on: October 17, 2012, 01:08:12 PM »
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  • Fr. Niklaus Pfluger:In Rome there is a group strongly opposed to a canonical regularization . . . . . . . . . . . . For our part, we suffer also from a defect: the fact of our canonical irregularity. The status of the post-conciliar Church is imperfect, nor is our status the ideal. . . . . . . . . . . . .We ourselves, Catholics faithful to Tradition, suffer from the crisis in two ways. We participate in this crisis, albeit on a different and higher level, as I see it. There is no denying the obligation to take an active part in overcoming the crisis. And this combat begins with us, by desiring to overcome our abnormal canonical status.


    Sounds like Fr. Pfluger's been reading FE.



    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #4 on: October 17, 2012, 02:59:53 PM »
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  • Fr. Pfluger's interview essentially contains the same worn-out, illogical, rubbish arguments of the accordistas. He even has the same arrogance! This part irritated me:

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    Bishop Williamson has been given fair warning. This is a sad moment in the history of our Society. If he continues his Internet campaign against the Society and its Superior General, then his expulsion from the Society cannot be avoided. Besides his false ideas, he has plotted under cover. The veritable tragedy is the fact that for years he has not accepted the authority of the Superior General, but has assigned to himself a God-given mission. Before the General Chapter, he rallied priests and faithful to rebellion. For a Catholic bishop, this is very serious.


    I think it's serious what these neo-Trads are doing to the poor Bishop!
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 17, 2012, 03:06:47 PM »
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  • Fr. Pfluger's statement is the latest in a long line of ridiculous propaganda to come out from Menzingen. I hope not too many Catholics are ignorant enough to fall for it!
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    « Reply #6 on: October 17, 2012, 04:05:57 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    Fr. Niklaus Pfluger:In Rome there is a group strongly opposed to a canonical regularization . . . . . . . . . . . . For our part, we suffer also from a defect: the fact of our canonical irregularity. The status of the post-conciliar Church is imperfect, nor is our status the ideal. . . . . . . . . . . . .We ourselves, Catholics faithful to Tradition, suffer from the crisis in two ways. We participate in this crisis, albeit on a different and higher level, as I see it. There is no denying the obligation to take an active part in overcoming the crisis. And this combat begins with us, by desiring to overcome our abnormal canonical status.


    Sounds like Fr. Pfluger's been reading FE.



    That's a good one! HAHAHAHAHA

    That way, Pfisheaters and Flugers  alike can wallow in their pride......
    BTW does it even matter who's reading who?  They can both read each other!
    And they probably DO.  



                                   



                       






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    « Reply #7 on: October 17, 2012, 04:22:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Fr. Pfluger's statement is the latest in a long line of ridiculous propaganda to come out from Menzingen. I hope not too many Catholics are ignorant enough to fall for it!


    Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
    Fr. Pfluger's interview essentially contains the same worn-out, illogical, rubbish arguments of the accordistas. He even has the same arrogance! This part irritated me:

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    Bishop Williamson has been given fair warning. This is a sad moment in the history of our Society. If he continues his Internet campaign against the Society and its Superior General, then his expulsion from the Society cannot be avoided. Besides his false ideas, he has plotted under cover. The veritable tragedy is the fact that for years he has not accepted the authority of the Superior General, but has assigned to himself a God-given mission. Before the General Chapter, he rallied priests and faithful to rebellion. For a Catholic bishop, this is very serious.


    I think it's serious what these neo-Trads are doing to the poor Bishop!



    I don't have any doubt that you guys know what you're talking about,
    but it seems to me that the task before us is to put into practice what
    it takes to COMMUNICATE that knowledge to others.  It's fine to be
    one who possesses the knowledge, but until it is made exportable to
    others for their consumption, it does little good being possessed.  

    What you see in this linked interview is a pretty decent propaganda
    piece, IMHO.  Like I said, I was being sucked in reading the first 9
    Q & A's.  The first Red Flag popped up on #10 when Fr. P mentions
    the "six guidelines" they "laid down."  My first thought was, the Georgia
    Guidestones
    being laid by the stone workers.  Ain't that a kick??

    We need to generate the same kind of propaganda pieces in the
    opposite direction.  The only difference is, we don't have to lie like
    that.  All we have to do is put the truth together in a form that
    stands on its own and identifies the errors of the enemy.  It's not
    enough to stand back and say it's the same, hackneyed, ridiculous
    and trite rubbish arguments of the accordistas.  We have to describe
    HOW it is that, and WHY it is that.  Otherwise, newcomers won't get it.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 17, 2012, 04:37:58 PM »
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  • Non Habemus Papam

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  • Uuuuh.... one problem: Peritus is singular.  Periti is plural.
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    Offline AntiFellayism

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    « Reply #10 on: October 17, 2012, 05:30:58 PM »
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  • Good one, Neil.

    Let them fight among themselves and elect one supreme peritus then...  

    :dancing:

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    « Reply #11 on: December 01, 2012, 06:07:09 AM »
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    let no one imagine that he can criticize authority with impunity.


     :jester:

    The authority of the Church of Bishop Fellay.



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  • Fr. Niklaus Pfluger: You are quoting Bishop Williamson, who was excluded from the General Chapter by the great majority of superiors. That shows how strongly united we are.
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    Let us all recall that it was Bishop Fellay who excluded Bishop Williamson from the General Chapter. And thereafter, the Society of Capitulatants, assembled at the General Chapter, ratified the decision, thus retaining their respective positions as superiors and not being sent en masse to either India, the Philippines, Gabon or Mexico.

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    « Reply #13 on: December 01, 2012, 10:16:53 AM »
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    Uuuuh.... one problem: Peritus is singular.  Periti is plural.



    That's because the liberals keep morphing into more...

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    « Reply #14 on: December 01, 2012, 10:36:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat



    Uuuuh.... one problem: Peritus is singular.  Periti is plural.



    ooops...

    I meant to make this funny an add the cartoon.

    "That's because the liberals keep morphing into more..." :pop:

    There we go.