Author Topic: New Interview with Bishop Fellay (Read 21609 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:00:53 PM »

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All these initiatives, all these interventions clearly show that the Society of St. Pius X is not alone in seeing the doctrinal problems that Vatican II poses. This movement is extending and it can no longer be stopped.

So why not show us the preamble and tell us how it shows any sign of recognition of the problems with Vatican II? It would appear from reports it did the opposite.

Didn't +Fellay answer this in the article??

Did he divulge the contents of the preamble?

Second hand reports say it had nothing to do with the discussions that have taken place before and is simply the reassertion of what has always been demanded.

What is the point of theater? Having discussions irrelevant to the agreement, not divulging the discussions, not divulging the preamble, then saying that it shows that Vatican II has been recognized to be a problem?

You can be sure if a large part of the SSPX priests were against the agreement that this is an attempt at railroading, bait and switch, that sort of thing.

s2srea · « **Reply #6 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:18:57 PM »

You asked why not show the contents-

Here's what he said:

This discretion is normal for any important proceeding; it ensures the seriousness of it. It so happens that the Doctrinal Preamble that was delivered to us is a docuмent which can be clarified and modified, as the accompanying note points out. It is not a definitive text. In a little while we will draw up a response to this docuмent, noting frankly the doctrinal positions that we regard as indispensable. Our constant concern since the start of our talks with the Holy See—as our interlocutors know very well—has been to present the traditional position with complete loyalty.

Discretion is required on Rome’s part also, because this docuмent—even in its present state which needs many clarifications—runs a great risk of arousing opposition from the progressives, who do not accept the very idea of a discussion about the Council, because they consider that this pastoral council is indisputable or “non-negotiable”, as though it were a dogmatic council.

Despite all these precautions, the conclusions of the meeting of the superiors of the Society of St. Pius X in Albano on October 7 have been divulged on the Internet by various yet consistent sources.
There is no lack of indiscretions on the Internet!

It is true that this Doctrinal Preamble cannot receive our endorsement, although leeway has been allowed for a “legitimate discussion” about certain points of the Council. What is the extent of this leeway? The proposal that I will make in the next few days to the Roman authorities and their response in turn will enable us to evaluate our remaining options. And whatever the result of these talks may be, the final docuмent that will have been accepted or rejected will be made public.

You may not like his reason, but he gave it nonetheless.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:26:47 PM »

Yeah, those "reasons" alright, but absolutely nothing to suggest that there is recognition of the problems with Vatican II. From what has been said it's evident the preamble has shown no retreat on Vatican II.

There's no justification for hiding the SSPX hiding their heological position, and the Vatican's theological position.

The only reason to do it is to present an agreement as accomplished fact, while keeping people in the dark and unable to criticize the terms of the agreement while it is hatched.

s2srea · « **Reply #8 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:33:17 PM »

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The only reason to do it is to present an agreement as accomplished fact, while keeping people in the dark and unable to criticize the terms of the agreement while it is hatched.

He did say, "whatever the result of these talks may be, the final docuмent that will have been accepted or rejected will be made public." If people don't like what the group has accepted or rejcted, they're free to leave the Society at any time, like you and I have right, albeit for different reasons? No one is chained to the Society's Tabernacles.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** November 28, 2011, 09:38:18 PM »

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The only reason to do it is to present an agreement as accomplished fact, while keeping people in the dark and unable to criticize the terms of the agreement while it is hatched.

He did say, "whatever the result of these talks may be, the final docuмent that will have been accepted or rejected will be made public." If people don't like what the group has accepted or rejcted, they're free to leave the Society at any time, like you and I have right, albeit for different reasons? No one is chained to the Society's Tabernacles.

It isn't up to the society what's right and wrong. It's not "their business"

What's right and wrong is everyone's business, and it isn't right to foist an agreement that's already been decided on the faithful and pretend that it's a sign of a rollback of Vatican II, because it isn't. Any agreement that does not have its result the true conversion of the people in Rome is just an acquiesence to an inevitable collapse of tradition in the SSPX.