Author Topic: New Head of CDF: Denied BVMs Perpetual Virginity - By John Vennari (Read 15176 times)

Sunbeam · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2012, 11:09:11 AM »

Elizabeth,
The following is sufficient to condemn as a heretic, the new head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Gerhard Ludwig Müller:

The Lateran Council 649
On the Trinity, the Incarnation, etc.

Can. 3. If anyone does not properly and truly confess in accord with the holy Fathers, that the holy Mother of God and ever Virgin and immaculate Mary in the earliest of the ages conceived of the Holy Spirit without seed, namely, God the Word Himself specifically and truly, who was born of God the Father before all ages, and that she incorruptibly bore [Him?], her virginity remaining indestructible even after His birth, let him be condemned

[Denzinger/Ferarri, No. 256]

Elizabeth · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2012, 11:14:09 AM »

Thank you Sunbeam.

Short and sweet-anybody may understand this fact!

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2012, 12:06:58 PM »

Amazing, really!

The Bishop believes that all churches are one and this is from the Baptism?

Ok.

So, why would the Vatican want to negotiate with the SSPX and UNDER WHAT CIRcuмSTANCE (using the Bishop's logic) could sedevacantists or even home-aloners ever be wrong? None, really.

This is really all about creating a one world church - as stupid as that may sound - and the reason for that is to negate any organized religious stand against the true love of these conciliarists and that is a one world government.

It has to be this.

Otherwise the bishop would prattle on and on in a maudlin manner about how he desires all souls under all circuмstances to be saved and he would prattle on about "looking the other way" on doctrine, discipline and belief just to help get all those souls to Heaven. He never says this so it's clear where his heart truly lies.

Santo Subito · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2012, 02:34:39 PM »

Quote from: Sunbeam

The Lateran Council 649
On the Trinity, the Incarnation, etc.

Can. 3. If anyone does not properly and truly confess in accord with the holy Fathers, that the holy Mother of God and ever Virgin and immaculate Mary in the earliest of the ages conceived of the Holy Spirit without seed, namely, God the Word Himself specifically and truly, who was born of God the Father before all ages, and that she incorruptibly bore [Him?], her virginity remaining indestructible even after His birth, let him be condemned

[Denzinger/Ferarri, No. 256]

What does "incorruptably bore [Him?] mean?

And why is "Him" included in brackets and a question mark? Are they not sure of the original text?

Her "virginity remaining indestructable" can mean that she simply did not know man throughout her entire life.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2012, 02:44:14 PM »

The Birth of Christ

by Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich

The light which surrounded the Blessed Virgin became more and more brilliant: the light of the lamp prepared by Joseph could not be seen. When the hour of midnight arrived Mary was transported in an ecstasy. I saw her raised a certain height from the ground; she had her hands crossed upon her breast. The light kept increasing around her; everything seemed to feel a joyful emotion, even things inanimate. The rock which formed the floor and the wall of the grotto were, as it were, alive with light. But soon I saw no more of the roof; a luminous path, whose bright ness continually increased, went from Mary to the highest heaven. Then was there a marvellous movement of the celestial glories, which, approaching nearer and nearer, appeared distinctly under the form of the angelic choirs. The Blessed Virgin, raised from the earth in her ecstasy, prayed and turned her eyes to her God, of whom she had become the mother, and who, a feeble new-born infant, was lying on the ground before her.

I saw Our Saviour like a little shining infant, whose brilliance eclipsed all the surrounding splendour, lying upon the rug before the knees of the Blessed Virgin. He seemed to me very small, and to grow larger before my eyes; but this was only the radiance of a light so dazzling that I can scarcely say how I could see it.

The Blessed Virgin remained some time in ecstasy. Then I saw her place a linen cloth over the child; but she did not touch Him nor take Him yet into her arms. After a short time I saw the Infant Jesus move, and I heard Him cry. It was then that the Blessed Virgin recovered the use of her senses. She took the child, wrapped it in the linen cloth with which she had covered it, and took it in her arms against her breast. I believe that she suckled it. I then saw angels around her in human form prostrate themselves before the new-born and adore Him.

About an hour had elapsed since the birth of the child, when Mary called Saint Joseph, who was still praying with his face to the ground. Approaching, he prostrated himself, full of joy, humility, and fervour. It was only when Mary had induced him to press to his heart the sacred gift of the Most High, that he rose, received the Infant Jesus in his arms, and returned thanks to God with tears of joy.

Then the Blessed Virgin swathed the Infant Jesus. Mary had only four linen cloths with her. I then saw Mary and Joseph sitting on the ground near each other. They did not speak, but seemed absorbed in contemplation. Before Mary, swathed as an ordinary child, was laid the new-born Jesus, beautiful and bright as lightning. “Ah!” I exclaimed, “this place contains the Salvation of the whole world, and no one can doubt it.”

They then placed the infant in the crib. They had re-filled it with rushes and beautiful plants, on which they had spread a coverlet. It was above the trough, hollowed in the rock to the right of the entrance to the grotto, which became larger there in a southerly direction. When they had placed the infant in the crib they both stood at the side, shedding tears of joy and chanting songs of praise. Joseph then arranged the sleeping couch and seat of the Blessed Virgin by the side of the crib. I saw her, both before and after the birth of Jesus, dressed in a white garment, which completely covered her. I saw her during the first days sitting, kneeling, standing, or even lying on her side, and sleeping; but neither ill nor fatigued.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2012, 02:45:13 PM »

The constant Tradition of the Church before Vatican II at least was that Our Lady suffered none of the pains of childbirth and none of the things common in human birth since the Fall. The "incorruptibly bore Him" part refers to this tradition.

PereJoseph · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2012, 03:27:23 PM »

Quote from: Santo Subito

Quote from: Sunbeam

The Lateran Council 649
On the Trinity, the Incarnation, etc.

Can. 3. If anyone does not properly and truly confess in accord with the holy Fathers, that the holy Mother of God and ever Virgin and immaculate Mary in the earliest of the ages conceived of the Holy Spirit without seed, namely, God the Word Himself specifically and truly, who was born of God the Father before all ages, and that she incorruptibly bore [Him?], her virginity remaining indestructible even after His birth, let him be condemned

[Denzinger/Ferarri, No. 256]

What does "incorruptably bore [Him?] mean?

It means without the effects of Original Sin, such as pain and bleeding and so forth. Sorrowful childbirth is explicitly mentioned as the curse God gave women in the garden : "n sorrow shalt thou bring forth children." We can infer that pain is one of the causes of this sorrow, as well as inconvenience and the other things that the glorified bodies of the saints will not endure.

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And why is "Him" included in brackets and a question mark? Are they not sure of the original text?

Because bore was not followed by the personal pronoun that English would demand but which was not demanded by the sense of the Latin word that was translated.

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Her "virginity remaining indestructable" can mean that she simply did not know man throughout her entire life.

You do not seem to understand the pertinent biology of virginity very much. Of course, it is impermissible for me to go into detail here, but I will say this : There is a way of determining whether or not a woman has remained a virgin, and Our Most Blessed Lady's virginity was perfect, such that she remained incorruptibly intact. Now, you might make the argument that this does not pertain to virginity as such but is simply related to it, but that is not how the Church and the theologians and spiritual writers have taught on the subject of Our Lady's virginity which, as the Lateran Council authoritatively affirms, was "indestructible." And, yes, I will throw in an appeal to the fitness of this teaching, since it was also used by Pius IX -- borrowing from Duns Scotus -- on the question of the Immaculate Conception.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2012, 03:49:42 PM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

The Birth of Christ

by Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich

The light which surrounded the Blessed Virgin became more and more brilliant: the light of the lamp prepared by Joseph could not be seen. When the hour of midnight arrived Mary was transported in an ecstasy. I saw her raised a certain height from the ground; she had her hands crossed upon her breast. The light kept increasing around her; everything seemed to feel a joyful emotion, even things inanimate. The rock which formed the floor and the wall of the grotto were, as it were, alive with light. But soon I saw no more of the roof; a luminous path, whose bright ness continually increased, went from Mary to the highest heaven. Then was there a marvellous movement of the celestial glories, which, approaching nearer and nearer, appeared distinctly under the form of the angelic choirs. The Blessed Virgin, raised from the earth in her ecstasy, prayed and turned her eyes to her God, of whom she had become the mother, and who, a feeble new-born infant, was lying on the ground before her.

I saw Our Saviour like a little shining infant, whose brilliance eclipsed all the surrounding splendour, lying upon the rug before the knees of the Blessed Virgin. He seemed to me very small, and to grow larger before my eyes; but this was only the radiance of a light so dazzling that I can scarcely say how I could see it.

The Blessed Virgin remained some time in ecstasy. Then I saw her place a linen cloth over the child; but she did not touch Him nor take Him yet into her arms. After a short time I saw the Infant Jesus move, and I heard Him cry. It was then that the Blessed Virgin recovered the use of her senses. She took the child, wrapped it in the linen cloth with which she had covered it, and took it in her arms against her breast. I believe that she suckled it. I then saw angels around her in human form prostrate themselves before the new-born and adore Him.

About an hour had elapsed since the birth of the child, when Mary called Saint Joseph, who was still praying with his face to the ground. Approaching, he prostrated himself, full of joy, humility, and fervour. It was only when Mary had induced him to press to his heart the sacred gift of the Most High, that he rose, received the Infant Jesus in his arms, and returned thanks to God with tears of joy.

Then the Blessed Virgin swathed the Infant Jesus. Mary had only four linen cloths with her. I then saw Mary and Joseph sitting on the ground near each other. They did not speak, but seemed absorbed in contemplation. Before Mary, swathed as an ordinary child, was laid the new-born Jesus, beautiful and bright as lightning. “Ah!” I exclaimed, “this place contains the Salvation of the whole world, and no one can doubt it.”

They then placed the infant in the crib. They had re-filled it with rushes and beautiful plants, on which they had spread a coverlet. It was above the trough, hollowed in the rock to the right of the entrance to the grotto, which became larger there in a southerly direction. When they had placed the infant in the crib they both stood at the side, shedding tears of joy and chanting songs of praise. Joseph then arranged the sleeping couch and seat of the Blessed Virgin by the side of the crib. I saw her, both before and after the birth of Jesus, dressed in a white garment, which completely covered her. I saw her during the first days sitting, kneeling, standing, or even lying on her side, and sleeping; but neither ill nor fatigued.

Dear Stevus,
This is a beautiful description from Anne Catherine Emmerich.
Thank you for posting it.
This is one of the most important posts that you have ever made.
To defend Our Lady from calumny is a very virtuous endeavour.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2012, 03:56:42 PM »

God Bless everyone on this thread who has defended Our Lady.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2012, 03:58:49 PM »

Let us all defend Our Lady when She is attacked.

magdalena · « **Reply #25 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:00:09 PM »

Yet another reason for not "sealing" an agreement with Rome. SSPX, wake up.

:heretic:

Clint · « **Reply #26 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:30:51 PM »

from: http://www.sacredheart.com/The_Mystical_City_of_God_Book_04_Chapter_04.htm

Book 4, Chapter 4

The Mystical City of God, The Divine History and Life of The Virgin Mother of God

The most holy Mary remained in this ecstasy and beatific vision for over an hour immediately preceding her divine delivery. At the moment when She issued from it and regained the use of her senses She felt and saw that the body of the infant God began to move in her virginal womb; how, releasing and freeing Himself from the place which in the course of nature He had occupied for nine months, He now prepared to issue forth from that sacred bridal chamber. This movement not only did not cause any pain or hardship, as happens with the other daughters of Adam and Eve in their childbirths; but filled Her with incomparable joy and delight, causing in her soul and in her virginal body such exalted and divine effects that they exceed all thoughts of men. Her body became so spiritualized with the beauty of heaven that She seemed no more a human and earthly creature. Her countenance emitted rays of light, like a sun incarnadined, and shone in indescribable earnestness and majesty, all inflamed with fervent love. She was kneeling in the manger, her eyes raised to heaven, her hands joined and folded at her breast, her soul wrapped in the Divinity and She herself was entirely deified. In this position, and at the end of the heavenly rapture, the most exalted Lady gave to the world the Onlybegotten of the Father and her own, our Savior Jesus, true God and man, at the hour of midnight, on a Sunday, in the year of the creation of the world five thousand one hundred and ninety-nine (5199), which is the date given in the Roman Church, and which date has been manifested to me as the true and certain one.

At the end of the beatific rapture and vision of the Mother ever Virgin, which I have described above, was born the Sun of Justice, the Onlybegotten of the eternal Father and of Mary most pure, beautiful, refulgent and immaculate, leaving Her untouched in her virginal integrity and purity and making Her more godlike and forever sacred; for He did not divide, but penetrated the virginal chamber as the rays of the sun penetrate the crystal shrine, lighting it up in prismatic beauty.
The infant God therefore was brought forth from the virginal chamber unencuмbered by any corporeal material substance foreign to Himself. But He came forth glorious and transfigured for the divine infinite wisdom decreed and ordained that the glory of his most holy soul should in his Birth overflow and communicate itself to his body, participating in the gifts of glory in the same way as happened afterwards in his Transfiguration on mount Tabor in the presence of the Apostles (Matth. 17, 2). This miracle was not necessary in order to penetrate the virginal enclosure and to leave unimpaired the virginal integrity; for without this Transfiguration God could have brought this about by other miracles. Thus say the holy doctors, who see no other miracle in this Birth than that the Child was born without impairing the virginity of the Mother. It was the will of God that the most b1essed Virgin should look upon the body of her Son, the God-man, for this first time in a glorified state for two reasons. The one was in order that by this divine vision the most prudent Mother should conceive the highest reverence for the Majesty of Him whom She was to treat as her Son, the true God-man. Although She was already informed of his two-fold nature, the Lord nevertheless ordained that by ocular demonstration She be filled with new graces, corresponding to the greatness of her most holy Son, which was thus manifested to Her in a visible manner. The second reason was to reward by this wonder the fidelity and holiness of the divine Mother; for her most pure and chaste eyes, that had turned away from all earthly things for love of her most holy Son, were to see Him at his very Birth in this glory and thus be rejoiced and rewarded for her loyalty and beautiful love.

Clint · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:33:18 PM »

If idiots like us know all this, and are outraged at such pronouncements by this "bishop", that should also tell you that Bishop Muller has NO FAITH, he has lost the Faith and his marbles. And this is the person the pope picked for the head of the Congregation of the Doctrine and the Faith!

By their deeds you shall know them.

magdalena · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:41:42 PM »

Quote from: Clint

If idiots like us know all this, and are outraged at such pronouncement by this "bishop", that should also tell you that that bishop has NO FAITH, he has lost the Faith and his marbles.

His words were put there by Lucifer. Those "higher-ups" in the SSPX that can't see that, are either naive, deceived or in partnership. Therein lies the rub.

Clint · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2012, 04:42:09 PM »

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At the end of the beatific rapture and vision of the Mother ever Virgin, which I have described above, was born the Sun of Justice, the Onlybegotten of the eternal Father and of Mary most pure, beautiful, refulgent and immaculate, leaving Her untouched in her virginal integrity and purity and making Her more godlike and forever sacred; for He did not divide, but penetrated the virginal chamber as the rays of the sun penetrate the crystal shrine, lighting it up in prismatic beauty.

In other words he came out of the womb the same way He came out of the tomb, and the same way that He walked in on the apostles, after the resurrection. He went right through like he was walking through air, not leaving a mark.