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Offline For Greater Glory

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« on: August 18, 2013, 06:22:57 PM »
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  • Three or four of us spoke with the visiting priest after Mass , today. He's very nice, conservative, young-looking, (don't know how young he is).

    I'm simplifying and putting this in my own words because I don't remember everything he said. We talked for one to two hours. We discussed the SSPX-Rome issue. Father said in July the two bishops made  an agreement with Bishop Fellay, whether it's oral or written I don't know, that Bishop Fellay will not be able to do something like this on his own in the future.

    He said Bishop Fellay did talk to the priests about his mistakes, but that it hasn't gotten out to the parishes.

    Father also said he is sympathetic to Bishop Williamson, but believes the bishop should have been obedient and shut down E. C. I told Father that when it's a matter of the faith, we must obey God first and doesn't the bishop have the duty to defend the faith? Father looked at me like he was thinking.

    I also told father that the resistance priests (the barking dogs) exemplified heroic virtue by warning the flock about an impending deal with the modernist Pope and cardinals. He didn't come out and say it in so many words, but I got the feeling he would expect the resistance priests to come back on their own, because of the agreement in July.

    Anyway, I told him Bishop Fellay needs either to step down or make things right with everybody and that we no longer trust or have faith in him, maybe the people who still want to shake hands with modernism.

    It was a very enjoyable day!

    P. S. Do y'all find it strange when one good priest like Father Morel says you can go to SSPX masses until they mix the novus ordo with the latin  and Father Pfeiffer says don't go because they're changing the faith? Like the coordinator said today. Even before Vat. II, priests did not all agree! Amen.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 18, 2013, 06:30:36 PM »
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    We discussed the SSPX-Rome issue. Father said in July the two bishops made an agreement with Bishop Fellay, whether it's oral or written I don't know, that Bishop Fellay will not be able to do something like this on his own in the future.


    Ha.  And even supposing it's true they made a deal, what's going to stop him?  The other two bishops are more marginalized than before.

    The SSPX has its official policy - in favor of a deal.

    And they don't need a deal to turn liberal and muzzle and tie the hands of the priests who remain trad.

    As for Bishop Williamson, they were going to try to keep him virtually incommunicado for the rest of his life.

    You'd have to be rather naive to believe in the good faith of these liberals.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 18, 2013, 07:02:21 PM »
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  • I was told that +Fellay demanded that after Fr. Hewko gave his sermon at the ordinations in 2012, that for his act of public rebellion against the SSPX that he needs to give a public apology and then spend a month or two in a monastery in reparation for his "sin".

    I think his Excellency would do well to follow his own advice.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 18, 2013, 07:13:02 PM »
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  • PS :  More secret deals. More negotiations done in the shadows.  And once again,  in contradiction to the Archbishop, we the faithful do not have a right to know.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 19, 2013, 05:42:15 AM »
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  • Even if such a deal was made, would it be kept? Bishop Fellay has been called a liar and a deceiver due to his propensity for politics. Could the two bishops really rely on his word? That would seem imprudent.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 19, 2013, 06:03:27 AM »
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    P. S. Do y'all find it strange when one good priest like Father Morel says you can go to SSPX masses until they mix the novus ordo with the latin  and Father Pfeiffer says don't go because they're changing the faith? Like the coordinator said today. Even before Vat. II, priests did not all agree! Amen.


    I also spoke to a priest today who is part of the novus ordo church, he is very old, I had told him previously that I wanted to do something religious, but when he asked about it I told him that I don't like the way the main church has gone against what it stands for, he more or less said to me that people respect you when you state your opinion, and interestingly he said that I was "not the only one who has opinions".  I got the impression that he was a traditionally minded priest who is forced into novus ordo practice. I made a confession before this and he was saying pray only if you feel like it. It took a bit of digging to get to the fact that he was a traditionally minded person who was forced to hide tradition and act this way. I suspect there are many priests like him who are in the novus ordo who are forced into silence by the atmosphere "spirit" of Vatican 2.

    Point is if the SSPX think they can join the conciliar church they are dead wrong, they will be suppressed and silenced by the spirit of the council, and this will dissolve their tradition because continuing it wont be possible. They wont be an oasis of truth, they will be a spring corrupted by the modernists who will then have influence over them. I hope the SSPX doesn't make an agreement, I still look forward to one day going to their TLM.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 19, 2013, 06:59:41 AM »
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    He said Bishop Fellay did talk to the priests about his mistakes, but that it hasn't gotten out to the parishes.

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    If this is what was said, then he sees the doubt, and he is just just loosening the line a little before he yanks it harder. Bishop Fellay actions and letters were public, it requires a public retraction. This isn't a case where a man mistreated a wife, he tells his priest but hasn't spoken to her yet.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 19, 2013, 07:59:02 AM »
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  • No doubt the priest was "nice"  "conservative"  "young-looking."  Good for him.  The "nithe" can turn "nasty as Nazis." (Read that last sentence with cultured British accent.)  The conservative coin is flipped to reveal the liberal side.  The young looking belies naivete and will give way to sag and wrinkles.  I do not judge or deny the sincerity of this visiting priest.  Look instead at his formation.  Who are his superiors?  That is who he will likely become barring special graces being granted him.  
    Pray for him, yes.  Pray for SSPX, yes.  Rely on them for salvation?  Hardly!  That's why God gave us the Faith.  That which does not align with the Faith is not of God.  THINK AND ACT FOR YOURSELF, IF YOU HAVE THE FAITH.  The days of "pray, pay, obey" are OVER.  They are not coming back until the Church reigns once more triumphant.  They will close the Gate of Heaven and prop open wide the Gates of Hell.  

    How EASILY the resisting backbone turns to mush!  

    IMO, Bp. W. will not, cannot, assume leadership for the "Resistance" because the vast majority of the resistors are sheeple at heart.  H.E. knows that upon his death, the wolves will leap the fence to devour.  And God will charge him with the loss of souls.  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  


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    « Reply #8 on: August 19, 2013, 10:26:28 AM »
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  • My own view is that we need to really cool our jets.  Keep vigilant - yes.  But this constant eyeballing the priests waiting for something heretical to happen will just tire us out.  We'll be so worn out that if something truly heretical happens (not likely at all) that we'll either be catching up on our sleep or think we're seeing things from lack of sleep.

    I think everything is fine in the SSPX but I do understand the concern others have.  


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    « Reply #9 on: August 19, 2013, 11:05:29 AM »
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    I think everything is fine in the SSPX but I do understand the concern others have.  



    Did you leave out a word?
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #10 on: August 19, 2013, 11:10:38 AM »
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  • The SSPX has said goodbye to the past; there is no going back. No more 'nasty Nazis' in its ranks and no more hardliners evoking the Church as something other than what now passes for her in Rome. The policy is there is only the post-V2 church and ultimate integration with her is the only game in town.

    With or without a deal short-term, the Society is reforming itself. Trendy PR exercises will showcase handsome young priests pouring out of branded seminaries keen to befriend the world instead of condemning it. Lefebvre's war against modernism has been abandoned: it now has to be accommodated.

    I am sure there will be many older priests praying for their retirement to come soon. Along with countless laymen, they will say it is too late for them to return to those early pioneering days and endure another round of discomfort. Instead they will rely on what is familiar and filter out the new. As one old lady said to me outside a church recently: "I only come here for the Latin Mass"!


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    « Reply #11 on: August 19, 2013, 11:12:10 AM »
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    P. S. Do y'all find it strange when one good priest like Father Morel says you can go to SSPX masses until they mix the novus ordo with the latin  and Father Pfeiffer says don't go because they're changing the faith? Like the coordinator said today. Even before Vat. II, priests did not all agree! Amen.


    What do you mean, 'mix the NO with the Latin?'  Do you mean start performing the NO in the chapel?  The line has to be drawn before then, because the amount of compromises required to get to the point where a NO could be performed in an SSPX chapel without a riot is expansive.  I don't even think the accordistas are ready for the NO service to invade their chapel.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 19, 2013, 11:28:06 AM »
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    I think everything is fine in the SSPX but I do understand the concern others have.  



    Did you leave out a word?


    I didn't.  

    No deal was made - this is good.

    Bishop Fellay has, according to the OP, apoligized and come to an agreement with the other two bishops - this is good.

    The SSPX is standing firm for the Traditional Catholic faith - this is good.

    The sermons, even from Fr. Scott (he visited our parish) are rock solid in the Catholic faith - this is good.

    The above is all relational and would be null and void if the SSPX turned around and made a deal with Rome.  They have not done this.  Why the SSPX engages in these conversations with Rome is probably one for the psychotherapists to figure out.  

    One thing to consider.  The novus ordo is very adept at psy ops.  They can plant stories in the mainstream media to make it look like the SSPX is willing to make a deal and that soon a deal with be made.  They can even plant stories making it look like Bishop Fellay is engaging in duplicitious activities - which he isn't.  

    The novus ordo has NOTHING to lose by engaging in these tactics.  The last session cost the SSPX one (1) bishop and up to 43 or so priests (all validly ordained).  So the New Vatican should consider that a big win.

    Bishop Fellay should announce a moratorium on any agreement for the foreseeable future and reach out to the priests of the resistance in an act of reconciliation of some sort.  

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    « Reply #13 on: August 19, 2013, 11:47:28 AM »
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    For Greater Glory said:


    P. S. Do y'all find it strange when one good priest like Father Morel says you can go to SSPX masses until they mix the novus ordo with the latin  and Father Pfeiffer says don't go because they're changing the faith? Like the coordinator said today. Even before Vat. II, priests did not all agree! Amen.

    Mithrandylan said:
    What do you mean, 'mix the NO with the Latin?'  Do you mean start performing the NO in the chapel?  The line has to be drawn before then, because the amount of compromises required to get to the point where a NO could be performed in an SSPX chapel without a riot is expansive.  I don't even think the accordistas are ready for the NO service to invade their chapel.  


    This is what the coordinator told me yesterday. I think your response is very good. I agree!

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    « Reply #14 on: August 19, 2013, 02:43:16 PM »
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  • Moved from another thread:

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    Correction: Not a New Development in the SSPX, Talk with Fr. Pfeiffer

    In the other thread, I told about my talk with the SSPX priest yesterday. I just got off the phone with Fr. Pfeiffer. He knows this priest. Father says he wants to believe that everything is o.k., that the priest is actually referring to the
    June 27th declaration ......
    I told Father how hard it is to make it to chapels elsewhere. He said don't think about it, just go and from what happened yesterday, you can see that it's a real danger to your soul and how long would you be able to resist these things. I think it was Father Girouard who said we must do more for God! Please say 3 Hail Marys for me! Kyrie Eleison
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum ...

     

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