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« on: July 05, 2012, 04:06:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    This coming Advent, the "new 1962 missal" (updated according to SP & UE) will be in use. it is already in print to celebrate the "Year of the (loss of) Faith. If the SSPX continues using the 1962 Missal, they will look very foolish. As I mention already on another thread, the lat time we had a "year of the Faith" was the very year that the "Oath Against Modernism" was done away with. Read John Vennaris article:"The Oath Against Modernism Betrayed" again.

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    I don't often hear about big changes in the Conciliar church, so this comment on another topic was rather surprising to me.

    What is the "new 1962 missal".  The only change I've ever heard of made by the Conciliar church was a new Good Friday Prayer to placate the perfidious Jєωs.  Are there more changes?  Does anyone have further information?  I'm just curious.

    Another thing...  Will the SSPX be using the "new 1962 missal"?

    One last thing...  If this is a "new 1962 missal", and it becomes official the first Sunday of Advent, shouldn't it now be the 2012 missal?  And shouldn't all the "traditional" communities in "full communion" with rome be using it?


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    « Reply #1 on: July 05, 2012, 04:14:01 PM »
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  • Good point.  

    It should be a 2012 "Extraordinary Form" Missal.

    Why rename the 1962 Missal?  Other than deception, I can't think of a valid reason.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 05, 2012, 04:19:56 PM »
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    Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    This coming Advent, the "new 1962 missal" (updated according to SP & UE) will be in use. it is already in print to celebrate the "Year of the (loss of) Faith. If the SSPX continues using the 1962 Missal, they will look very foolish. As I mention already on another thread, the lat time we had a "year of the Faith" was the very year that the "Oath Against Modernism" was done away with. Read John Vennaris article:"The Oath Against Modernism Betrayed" again.

    Emphasis added.


    I don't often hear about big changes in the Conciliar church, so this comment on another topic was rather surprising to me.

    What is the "new 1962 missal".  The only change I've ever heard of made by the Conciliar church was a new Good Friday Prayer to placate the perfidious Jєωs.  Are there more changes?  Does anyone have further information?  I'm just curious.

    Another thing...  Will the SSPX be using the "new 1962 missal"?

    One last thing...  If this is a "new 1962 missal", and it becomes official the first Sunday of Advent, shouldn't it now be the 2012 missal?  And shouldn't all the "traditional" communities in "full communion" with rome be using it?


    If they did, this would be the thing which would cause me to leave the Society. I doubt +Williamson and +Tisser would stand for this though.  I'm fortunate to live around many trad chapels including CMRI and independents. Actually the CMRI chapel near my work is less than 10 miles away. But its further from my house than the SSPX chapel is.

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    « Reply #3 on: July 05, 2012, 05:25:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Good point.  

    It should be a 2012 "Extraordinary Form" Missal.

    Why rename the 1962 Missal?  Other than deception, I can't think of a valid reason.


    Excellent observations, thanks.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 05, 2012, 05:31:14 PM »
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  • As to whats "new" about it.

    As I understand it, it is being changed to include

    1. the new Novus Ordo saints and blesseds (Fr. Escriva, John XXIII, John Paul II, Mother Teresa, et al.)

    2. New prefaces

    I am not sure if there are also other changes involved.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 05, 2012, 09:06:58 PM »
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    Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    This coming Advent, the "new 1962 missal" (updated according to SP & UE) will be in use. it is already in print to celebrate the "Year of the (loss of) Faith. If the SSPX continues using the 1962 Missal, they will look very foolish. As I mention already on another thread, the lat time we had a "year of the Faith" was the very year that the "Oath Against Modernism" was done away with. Read John Vennaris article:"The Oath Against Modernism Betrayed" again.

    Emphasis added.


    I don't often hear about big changes in the Conciliar church, so this comment on another topic was rather surprising to me.

    What is the "new 1962 missal".  The only change I've ever heard of made by the Conciliar church was a new Good Friday Prayer to placate the perfidious Jєωs.  Are there more changes?  Does anyone have further information?  I'm just curious.

    Another thing...  Will the SSPX be using the "new 1962 missal"?

    One last thing...  If this is a "new 1962 missal", and it becomes official the first Sunday of Advent, shouldn't it now be the 2012 missal?  And shouldn't all the "traditional" communities in "full communion" with rome be using it?



    TKGS,
    Summorum Pontificuм (SP) http://www.zenit.org/article-20071?l=english  was the answer from Rome to the SSPX when they asked for the freeing of the 1962 Missal. Most people have read about this "wonderful" Motu Proprio but never bothered to read it. This docuмent is in fact more restrictive than the previous indults because it declared the Novus Ordo and the 1962 Missal two expressions of the same rite and we have to accept the N.O to benefit from it.

    Then, also on 07/07/07, BXVI sent an Explanatory Letter to all the bishops http://www.zenit.org/article-20070?l=english  in which he said:

    For that matter, the two Forms of the usage of the Roman Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces can and should be inserted in the old Missal. The "Ecclesia Dei" Commission, in contact with various bodies devoted to the "usus antiquior," will study the practical possibilities in this regard. The celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of Paul VI will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage.

    Next came the Vatican Instruction "Universae Ecclesiae" on 05/13/11   http://www.zenit.org/article-32564?l=english  which says:

    11. After having received the approval from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei will have the task of looking after future editions of liturgical texts pertaining to the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite.
    On the same day, May 13, 2011, Cardinal koch makes a public statement (at a Summorum Pontificuм conference in Rome) that Summorum Pontificuм was the begining of the "reform of the reform".

    On Rorate Caeli September 19, 2011 article http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/updated-1962-missal-coming-soon.html just a few days after Bishop Fellay is given the "Doctrinal Preamble",we read:

    - that a joint commission was set up, with experts of the commission "Ecclesia Dei" and of the congregation for divine worship, for the "updating" of the commemorations of the saints and the "possible insertion of new prefaces" into the preconciliar Roman missal of 1962, to which Benedict XVI gave full citizenship in 2007.

    After reading this article we called Baronius Press and confirmed that the "new 1962 Missal" was in the process of being printed and that it would be released sometime in 2012. Later articles which I still have to find if you will, talked about this missal coming this Advent (2012) to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the opening of Vatican II.

    In conclusion: this "new 1962 missal" will be the "reform of the reform" that Bishop Fellay has denied knowing anything about, but we know through Fr. Pffeifer that Fr. Celier (SSPX) wrote a book on the hybrid missal in 2007 and tried to sell the idea to the French who rejected it and + Fellay "put him on the back burner". Now that bishop Fellay was ready to sign an agreement with Rome,has brought him back to the USA.

    If the deal with + Fellay is really over the pope may just forget his "reform of the reform" because without + Fellay heading it, will not get too far. In my opinion, the new appointments to the CDF indicate that the pope is just going to do his plain liberal stuff without any pretence.

    I said that if the SSPX continues using the 1962 missal will look very foolish because when the new comes into effect, the actual 1962 will be obsolete.

    Why not call it the 2012 Missal? Because the 1962 Missal is and has always been just that: "An Indult" and Indults are subject to its legislator, Benedict XVI. Traditionalist don't need permission for the pre-1962 (Pre- Bugnini) but for anyone else who signs the "1989 Profession of Faith" have to dance to the pope's tune. It would be impossible for +Fellay to be "reintegrated" and not use this new missal.

    Anyone who wants to learn more about the "reform of the reform", go to  http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/ , search for that term, and be ready to get sick. I can also provide many quotes.
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    « Reply #6 on: July 05, 2012, 09:16:10 PM »
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  • Thank you, Marie Auxiliadora, for your great post.  I have never understood why the SSPX continued the use of the 1962 Missal (yeah, yeah, I've heard the reasons ...)   Now is the time to revert to the use of the 1950 Missal and avoid the offensive "reform of the reform".

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    « Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 09:16:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
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    Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    This coming Advent, the "new 1962 missal" (updated according to SP & UE) will be in use. it is already in print to celebrate the "Year of the (loss of) Faith. If the SSPX continues using the 1962 Missal, they will look very foolish. As I mention already on another thread, the lat time we had a "year of the Faith" was the very year that the "Oath Against Modernism" was done away with. Read John Vennaris article:"The Oath Against Modernism Betrayed" again.

    Emphasis added.


    I don't often hear about big changes in the Conciliar church, so this comment on another topic was rather surprising to me.

    What is the "new 1962 missal".  The only change I've ever heard of made by the Conciliar church was a new Good Friday Prayer to placate the perfidious Jєωs.  Are there more changes?  Does anyone have further information?  I'm just curious.

    Another thing...  Will the SSPX be using the "new 1962 missal"?

    One last thing...  If this is a "new 1962 missal", and it becomes official the first Sunday of Advent, shouldn't it now be the 2012 missal?  And shouldn't all the "traditional" communities in "full communion" with rome be using it?



    TKGS,
    Summorum Pontificuм (SP) http://www.zenit.org/article-20071?l=english  was the answer from Rome to the SSPX when they asked for the freeing of the 1962 Missal. Most people have read about this "wonderful" Motu Proprio but never bothered to read it. This docuмent is in fact more restrictive than the previous indults because it declared the Novus Ordo and the 1962 Missal two expressions of the same rite and we have to accept the N.O to benefit from it.

    Then, also on 07/07/07, BXVI sent an Explanatory Letter to all the bishops http://www.zenit.org/article-20070?l=english  in which he said:

    For that matter, the two Forms of the usage of the Roman Rite can be mutually enriching: new Saints and some of the new Prefaces can and should be inserted in the old Missal. The "Ecclesia Dei" Commission, in contact with various bodies devoted to the "usus antiquior," will study the practical possibilities in this regard. The celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of Paul VI will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage.

    Next came the Vatican Instruction "Universae Ecclesiae" on 05/13/11   http://www.zenit.org/article-32564?l=english  which says:

    11. After having received the approval from the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei will have the task of looking after future editions of liturgical texts pertaining to the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite.
    On the same day, May 13, 2011, Cardinal koch makes a public statement (at a Summorum Pontificuм conference in Rome) that Summorum Pontificuм was the begining of the "reform of the reform".

    On Rorate Caeli September 19, 2011 article http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2011/09/updated-1962-missal-coming-soon.html just a few days after Bishop Fellay is given the "Doctrinal Preamble",we read:

    - that a joint commission was set up, with experts of the commission "Ecclesia Dei" and of the congregation for divine worship, for the "updating" of the commemorations of the saints and the "possible insertion of new prefaces" into the preconciliar Roman missal of 1962, to which Benedict XVI gave full citizenship in 2007.

    After reading this article we called Baronius Press and confirmed that the "new 1962 Missal" was in the process of being printed and that it would be released sometime in 2012. Later articles which I still have to find if you will, talked about this missal coming this Advent (2012) to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the opening of Vatican II.

    In conclusion: this "new 1962 missal" will be the "reform of the reform" that Bishop Fellay has denied knowing anything about, but we know through Fr. Pffeifer that Fr. Celier (SSPX) wrote a book on the hybrid missal in 2007 and tried to sell the idea to the French who rejected it and + Fellay "put him on the back burner". Now that bishop Fellay was ready to sign an agreement with Rome,has brought him back to the USA.

    If the deal with + Fellay is really over the pope may just forget his "reform of the reform" because without + Fellay heading it, will not get too far. In my opinion, the new appointments to the CDF indicate that the pope is just going to do his plain liberal stuff without any pretence.

    I said that if the SSPX continues using the 1962 missal will look very foolish because when the new comes into effect, the actual 1962 will be obsolete.

    Why not call it the 2012 Missal? Because the 1962 Missal is and has always been just that: "An Indult" and Indults are subject to its legislator, Benedict XVI. Traditionalist don't need permission for the pre-1962 (Pre- Bugnini) but for anyone else who signs the "1989 Profession of Faith" have to dance to the pope's tune. It would be impossible for +Fellay to be "reintegrated" and not use this new missal.

    Anyone who wants to learn more about the "reform of the reform", go to  http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/ , search for that term, and be ready to get sick. I can also provide many quotes.


    Thank you MA!


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    « Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 09:30:43 PM »
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  • http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2012-0415-dupuy-ides-of-april-sspx-rome.htm

    What Does Rome Want?

    Catholics on the right and on the left have often asked why this Pope wants the Society regularized to such a great degree. After all, most conciliar bishops were content with leaving the Society to their leper status “outside” the Church and to continue ignoring them as irrelevant, while pushing the Vatican II revolution forward.

    The narrative we hear in mainstream Catholic circles is that, although the Pope was more liberal in his Vatican II days, he has developed into a staunch conservative.  It is said that he wants the Traditional Mass back into the Church and hates liturgical abuses in the Novus Ordo. Therefore, the Society could help further these goals by spreading the Traditional Mass and acting as a conduit towards more rubrical orthodoxy in both forms of the Roman Rite.  Indeed there is evidence this is very true. However, isn’t it fair to ask if the Pope’s reasons in achieving these goals are the same as the Society’s? Is the Pope a traditionalist in the mold of Archbishop Lefebvre? Or could the Pontiff’s vision for the future of the Church be at odds with the Society’s vision?

    A clue to the answer might be found in the Pope’s vision for the Mass. On May 14, 2011 CNS News reported the following regarding statements of Cardinal Kurt Koch, president of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity:

    Pope Benedict XVI's easing of restrictions on use of the 1962 Roman Missal, known as the Tridentine rite, is just the first step in a "reform of the reform" in liturgy, the Vatican's top ecuмenist said.

    The pope's long-term aim is not simply to allow the old and new rites to coexist, but to move toward a "common rite" that is shaped by the mutual enrichment of the two Mass forms...10

    This statement came as a shock to many traditionalists. Why would the Pope want to combine the Traditional Mass into a new “hybrid Mass” with the Novus Ordo? Wasn’t one “New Mass” enough? A possible answer may be found in the candid words of Cardinal Ratzinger himself back in 1999.

     In September of 2010, “Fr. Matias Auge CMF, a veteran professor of liturgy in Rome, former consultant to the Congregation for Divine Worship and disciple of the reformers of the 1960's, published an exchange of letters that he had with then-Cardinal Ratzinger on the topic of the reform of the sacred liturgy.”11 In his February 18, 1999 letter to Fr. Auge, Cardinal Ratzinger states:

    …a considerable number of the Catholic faithful, especially those of French, English, and German nationality and language remain strongly attached to the old liturgy, and the Pope does not intend to repeat what happened in 1970 when the new liturgy was imposed in an extremely abrupt way, with a transition time of only six months, whereas the prestigious Liturgical Institute in Trier had rightly proposed a transition time of ten years (if I am not mistaken) for such an undertaking, one that touches in a vital way the heart of the Faith.

    Here two very important points are admitted. First, that the imposition of the Novus Ordo Mass on the Church touched, “in a vital way the heart of the Faith.” This confirms the traditionalist claim that the changes in the Mass did not represent a superficial or external change, as Paul VI tried to argue many times as the New Mass was first being implemented. Rather, these changes affect the Faith itself.

    The second admission is that the imposition of the Novus Ordo upon the faithful in a mere six months was a great mistake. Cardinal Ratzinger believed it should have taken at least ten years. Why? Cardinal Ratzinger knew that a fundamental change on the scale of introducing a new Mass must be gradually revealed to the faithful over a long period of time if they were to eventually accept it.  The New Mass being imposed practically all at once over six months was not enough time. This rapid implementation led to many leaving the Church and the formation of resistance groups such as the SSPX.  Presumably, if Paul VI had listened to the Liturgical Institute in Trier and slowly and methodically transitioned from the Traditional Mass to the New Mass over a period of ten years, Catholic faithful as a whole would have remained in the Church and would have gradually accepted the changes. As a side-effect, Rome would not have faced as great of a traditionalist resistance as it faces today.

    In the same letter, the Cardinal states, “The citation from Cardinal Newman means that the authority of the Church has never in its history abolished with a legal mandate an orthodox liturgy.” The Cardinal here re-asserts what he considers to be an egregious error on behalf of the reformers. In attempting to abolish the Traditional Mass by promulgating a new one, Paul VI had performed an unprecedented act that would not stand the test of time. The Cardinal knew, quite rightly, that to do such a thing might have the effect of imposing a new Rite by force, but this new Rite could never truly replace the Old one. Opponents to the suppression of the Traditional Mass could argue effectively that replacing an ancient Rite of the Church could never be legitimately done by a legislative fiat of the Pope. The Cardinal himself, in his 2007 Motu Proprio confirmed this by admitting the Traditional Mass was never abrogated.

    In the very next sentence of the letter, the Cardinal states a key point, “However, a liturgy that vanishes belongs to historical times, not the present.” When this statement is read in light of the statements by Cardinal Koch in 2011, they may together provide a clue as to what the Pope believes the original liturgical reform should have accomplished. We know the introduction of the Novus Ordo was meant by conciliar reformers to replace or abrogate the Traditional Mass. Yet, because the New Mass was imposed upon the people in such a short time frame, the Traditional Mass did not vanish, but instead survived underground as a distinctly different Mass than that of Paul VI.  The New Mass was never really accepted by a certain contingent of Catholics. This contingent then began to grow steadily over time, as further liturgical innovations of the Novus Ordo continued to pile up throughout the 1970’s and 80’s.

    To understand how a Mass can “vanish”, we must take a look at one that has. For example, the typical edition of the 1884 Roman Rite under Leo XIII has “vanished”. It is now consigned to its historical time in history, having been replaced with a later revision of the same Roman Rite. This revisionary process has been ongoing in the Roman Rite since the time of Pius V.  Popes since then have, from time to time, made very minor adjustments to the Rite. Each revision was not seen as a “New Mass” replacing the old. It was instead seen as a minor organically developed change not altering the character of the Mass in any way. Thus the Society uses the 1962 edition of the Roman Rite, yet it is recognized as the same “Roman Rite” as that of Pius V.

    This being the case, the most effective approach to make a Mass “vanish” would be to slowly and gradually, over the course of time, alter it through a series of small revisions. The least objectionable changes could presumably be offered first, and once those were digested, further changes could be offered. Thus, by this process the Traditional Mass we know today could conceivably be transformed, after many years, into a future Missal representing a more “conciliar” Faith.  It would, in a sense, be a simulation of natural organic liturgical development. It would mimic the gradual evolution of the Traditional Mass over centuries, except, this time, the process could be carefully orchestrated and guided towards the goals of Vatican II under more direct supervision of future popes.

    If we combine the Cardinal Ratzinger’s letter from 1999 with Cardinal Koch’s revealing the Pope’s goal of a hybrid Mass, we can come to the following conclusion: that although the Traditional Mass could not be successfully replaced at once by a “New Mass”, it can be slowly transformed into a different Mass over time. Thus, in the future, the Roman Missal of 1962 may very well “vanish” and belong to history as the Roman Missal of 1884 under Leo XIII has vanished.

    The aversion to the swift implementation of the Novus Ordo in 1970 may explain, in part, the current Pope’s intense dislike for liturgical novelties.  In the same letter the Cardinal states:

    …the difference between the Missal of 1962 and the Mass faithfully celebrated according to the Missal of Paul VI is much smaller than the difference between the various, so-called ”creative” applications of the Missal of Paul VI. In this situation, the presence of the earlier Missal may become a bulwark against the numerous alterations of the liturgy and thus act as a support of the authentic reform.

    Thus, the Cardinal is opposed to liturgical innovations of the Novus Ordo because they thwart the aims of the more gradual “authentic reform” over time. Liturgical innovations or “abuses” serve to continually present the faithful with a radical stark departure from even the Mass of Paul VI, much less the Traditional Mass. In other words, these innovators have been hurting the cause of the “authentic reform” (slow and gradual assimilation of changes) by instituting their novelties far too rapidly to be digested by the faithful.

    In order for the Cardinal’s “authentic reform” to work, these “abuses” must stop and the Mass of Paul VI must move closer to the Mass of Pius V. As Cardinal Koch revealed, the eventual goal of the Pope is to blend these two Masses into one hybrid Mass of the Roman Rite.  In Rome’s view, factions of the faithful have, in a sense, splintered off from the reform movement, like the Society. As long as the Society is outside of this process, they cannot be a part of the “authentic reform”. If the Society stays separated, they will continue to keep the Traditional Mass alive in its current form. Therefore, Rome would be back to the situation it faced in the 1970’s.

    To remedy this, the Society must be participating in the “authentic reform”. The reform could ostensibly take the least objectionable elements of the Mass of Paul VI and try to slowly assimilate them into the Traditional Mass. Once the envisioned “hybrid Mass” is accomplished, the reform would once again have one Mass of the Roman Rite to work with as it did before 1969. Future reforms to this “new” Missal could then be introduced very slowly and gradually over the course of years. By this method, at some point in the future, the Traditional Mass, as it was known in 1962 and said in 2012, will once and for all “vanish” and be confined forever to its proper “historical time”.

    Lest one think these ideas are purely theoretical, concrete steps to implement the “authentic reform” have already taken place. Less than one year after issuing the Motu Proprio freeing the Traditional Mass, the Pope altered the Good Friday prayer of the 1962 Missal.12  Then, on April 30, 2011, the Pontifical Commission of Ecclesia Dei stated in an official instruction, “New saints and certain of the new prefaces can and ought to be inserted into the 1962 Missal, according to provisions which will be indicated subsequently.”13

    NOTES

    [10] http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101922.htm

    [11] http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/09/1999-letter-by-cardinal-ratzinger-on.html

    [12] http://newcatholic.googlepages.com/OR_20080206_prima.pdf

    [13]http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_commissions/ecclsdei/docuмents/rc_com_ecclsdei_doc_20110430_istr-universae-ecclesiae_en.html#_ftnref9

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    « Reply #9 on: July 06, 2012, 08:09:05 AM »
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  • Thank you everyone for your responses, especially Marie Auxiliadora and stevusmagnus.

    I had been aware of only a little of what was posted.  It appears that the Conciliar vatican is even more insidious than I had imagined.  Frankly, this information makes the Bishop Fellay initiative even more disturbing.  Clearly, the vatican wishes to use the SSPX to develop the "reform of the reform".

    The only thing, I think, that will thwart such efforts will ultimately be the lesser known organizations, such as the CMRI, and the many independent priests who will reject these initiatives.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 06, 2012, 08:38:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: TKGS
    Thank you everyone for your responses, especially Marie Auxiliadora and stevusmagnus.

    I had been aware of only a little of what was posted.  It appears that the Conciliar vatican is even more insidious than I had imagined.  Frankly, this information makes the Bishop Fellay initiative even more disturbing.  Clearly, the vatican wishes to use the SSPX to develop the "reform of the reform".

    The only thing, I think, that will thwart such efforts will ultimately be the lesser known organizations, such as the CMRI, and the many independent priests who will reject these initiatives.


    This only applies to indult communities that have taken the "1989 Profession of Faith"
    http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/teach/cdfoath.htm read it for yourself. See who has to take this oath, you'll find it at the bottom at the link given.:

    NOTE: Canon 833, Nos. 5-8 obliges the following to make the profession of faith: vicars general, episcopal vicars and judicial vicars; "at the beginning of their term of office, pastors, the rector of a seminary and the professors of theology and philosophy in seminaries; those to be promoted to the diaconate"; "the rectors of an ecclesiastical or Catholic university at the beginning of the rector's term of office"; and, "at the beginning of their term of office, teachers in any universities whatsoever who teach disciplines which deal with faith or morals"; and "superiors in clerical religious institutes and societies of apostolic life in accord with the norm of the constitutions."


    Using the pre-Bugnini Missal will avoid any confrontations with Rome because we have the claim of Inmemorial Tradition and is reinforced by Quo Primum http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
    (St. Clement Mary Hofbauer)


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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 08:47:20 PM »
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  • The "reform of the reform."  The hybrid mass.  The novus, novus ordo.  Whatever you call it, the opus fellay-bxvi is bringing it on.  So I hope you are ready to hop on board a sinking dinghy attached to an even greater sinking titanic.   :shocked:

    Better to return to the 1950 missal of Pope St. Pius X.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #12 on: July 07, 2012, 09:19:17 PM »
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  • Yes, it is unfortunate, but we should have seen it all coming.  Lackadaisical, lots and lots of MONEY, prosperous and spoiled....."OH...is it time to get up already for 11:30 am low mass? oh, what a drag....I don't know if I can bear the heat; haven't they yet put AC into that Church?"....
    Rest assured: If this kind shows up at a True Trad Chapel to substitute....on their can they will land!
    I'm certain the True Trads will not tolerate that attitude!

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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #13 on: July 07, 2012, 10:46:15 PM »
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  • Quote from: magdalena
    The "reform of the reform."  The hybrid mass.  The novus, novus ordo.  Whatever you call it, the opus fellay-bxvi is bringing it on.  So I hope you are ready to hop on board a sinking dinghy attached to an even greater sinking titanic.   :shocked:

    Better to return to the 1950 missal of Pope St. Pius X.


    This post sets out the facts.

    It also shows a good way that the Church could be saved:

    We need the Traditonal Latin Mass without any changes.

    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV

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    New 1962 Missal?
    « Reply #14 on: July 08, 2012, 06:19:21 AM »
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    Thank you, Marie Auxiliadora, for your great post.  I have never understood why the SSPX continued the use of the 1962 Missal (yeah, yeah, I've heard the reasons ...)   Now is the time to revert to the use of the 1950 Missal and avoid the offensive "reform of the reform".


    Yep.

    Them putting a heretic in charge of the CDF presents a nice opportunity for us to take a step back too, and go back to the 1954/1948 Missal.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."