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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2012, 03:28:03 PM »
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    Is Baronius Press trustworthy?  This whole business sounds shady.


    They published the last edition of the 1962 Missal for the Vatican as soon as the MP Summorum Pontificuм was released. I think maybe the Vatican wants to keep it quiet for now. I know I have made many comments on Rorate Caeli about this Missal and they will not post them.

    They also published the new N.O. missal that came out last Advent.

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    « Reply #31 on: July 10, 2012, 03:40:52 PM »
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  • Baronius Press Ltd info@baroniuspress.com
       12:39 PM (3 hours ago)
           
     to me
     
    Dear Mrs.

    Many thanks for your email. The publication date of our latest edition of
    the 1962 Missal was 2011.

    God bless,

    Tom Healy


    I sent another email just now to confirm that he is talking about "the" new 1962 Missal, because there is also a new N.O. Missal that came out last Advent and looks like a regular missal. I'll share the response.
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    « Reply #32 on: July 11, 2012, 06:57:03 AM »
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       4:32 PM (15 hours ago)
           
     
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    I thank you for your reply but I'm confused. Are you talking about the new 1962 Missal as approved last year by the pope, according to SP and UE or the new Novus Ordo missal (3rd edition) that came out last Advent. Thanks again.
    Mrs. XXX
     


     
    Carlos Palad - Baronius Press carlos@baroniuspress.com
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    Dear Mrs. XXX,
     We are talking about the 1962 Missal approved according to Summorum Pontificuм and Universae Ecclesiae.
     
    Kind Regards
     Carlos Palad
    Baronius Press ltd
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    « Reply #33 on: July 11, 2012, 07:29:01 AM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    Baronius Press Ltd info@baroniuspress.com
       
    Many thanks for your email. The publication date of our latest edition of
    the 1962 Missal was 2011.


    Rather confusing, does it mean only the fiddled Good Friday prayer revision, or is 2011 edition the "hermeneutic of 1962" Missal? SP/UE would have been a 2007ish edition.

    For a bunch of people in the "book" business, they could have been a bit more precise.

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    « Reply #34 on: July 11, 2012, 07:37:58 AM »
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    Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    Baronius Press Ltd info@baroniuspress.com
       
    Many thanks for your email. The publication date of our latest edition of
    the 1962 Missal was 2011.


    Rather confusing, does it mean only the fiddled Good Friday prayer revision, or is 2011 edition the "hermeneutic of 1962" Missal? SP/UE would have been a 2007ish edition.

    For a bunch of people in the "book" business, they could have been a bit more precise.


    It is no longer the 1962 Missal since 2007, as the Good Friday Prayer has been changed.

    The first step in many attacks and adaptations to come and be enforced.

    I would just seek out a 1962 Missal from Angelus Press or buy an old missal yourself.

    Universae Ecclesiae changed the Good Friday prayer of the 1962 Missal.

    In fact, the 1962 Missal itself had been tampered with too, but was and is still entirely orthodox Roman Catholic of course. But the removal of the 'perfidis' and 'perfidem' by John XXIII's order was already a political compromise which was false. In fact, the Good Friday Prayer for the Jews is older than many other Roman Rite prayers and formulae. It can be dated back to 244 AD text fragments, right in the Catacomb times.

    The 2007 UE/SP revision of the 1962 Missal's Good Friday prayers is false and doctrinally doubtful (possibly heterodox formally, as it blurs the traditional teaching on the incredulity of the Jews).


    Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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    « Reply #35 on: July 11, 2012, 08:48:34 AM »
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  • Quote from: InstaurareEcclesiam
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    Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
    Baronius Press Ltd info@baroniuspress.com
       
    Many thanks for your email. The publication date of our latest edition of
    the 1962 Missal was 2011.


    Rather confusing, does it mean only the fiddled Good Friday prayer revision, or is 2011 edition the "hermeneutic of 1962" Missal? SP/UE would have been a 2007ish edition.

    For a bunch of people in the "book" business, they could have been a bit more precise.


    It is no longer the 1962 Missal since 2007, as the Good Friday Prayer has been changed.

    The first step in many attacks and adaptations to come and be enforced.

    I would just seek out a 1962 Missal from Angelus Press or buy an old missal yourself.

    Universae Ecclesiae changed the Good Friday prayer of the 1962 Missal.

    In fact, the 1962 Missal itself had been tampered with too, but was and is still entirely orthodox Roman Catholic of course. But the removal of the 'perfidis' and 'perfidem' by John XXIII's order was already a political compromise which was false. In fact, the Good Friday Prayer for the Jews is older than many other Roman Rite prayers and formulae. It can be dated back to 244 AD text fragments, right in the Catacomb times.

    The 2007 UE/SP revision of the 1962 Missal's Good Friday prayers is false and doctrinally doubtful (possibly heterodox formally, as it blurs the traditional teaching on the incredulity of the Jews).


    Thank you! for the statement above which I put in bold letters. The New Good Friday prayer was changed in 1962 which means to me that the brake happened then. The SSPX has kept the pre-1962 Good Friday prayer in their own version of the 1962 Missal along with the second Confiteor, etc. to make it more traditional. Many people in the SSPX did not know in 2007 that the prayer had been already changed in 1962.

    In 2007, the SSPX (Angelus Press) printed a large quantity of the actual 1962 Missal because they thought they would be selling to the Indult communities but Rome was one step ahead of them and had the Missal published by Baronius Press.

    Why do you think the 1962 Missal has always been regulated by an Indult. First JPII, Then, Summorum Pontificuм which ties it to the N.O as two expressions of the same rite. This indult was in reality more restrictive than JPII's because now, to have the "1962" missal you have to accept the N.O. as valid.

    Also, why do you think Rome is now changing their agreement with IGS, they now want them regulated by "Summorum Pontificuм" which was released after their initial agreement. Rome wants them regulated by SP because the trap (leash) is in SP. Absolutely every indult community must be regulated by it because the 1962 missal is what the pope tells them it is. They have signed the 1989 Profession of Faith and they must obey. Now is common knowledge why that is so. This is the missal that will lead to the "reform of the reform".

    This topic begun because someone wanted to have proof that a "new 1962 Missal" is coming.




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    « Reply #36 on: July 11, 2012, 10:09:51 AM »
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  • This newcomer to the site is particularly struck by the fact that the letter from Baronius Press was signed by Carlos Palad, till recently a moderator at Rorate Caeli. I wouldn't go so far as to speak of a wolf in sheep's clothing, but there is ample food for thought here, especially concerning what RC's agenda truly is. Every habitué of this site certainly knows what the agenda of Baronius Press is: making a few bucks off the regularization of the ghettoization of Tradition within the conciliar church.

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    « Reply #37 on: July 11, 2012, 10:14:33 AM »
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    This newcomer to the site is particularly struck by the fact that the letter from Baronius Press was signed by Carlos Palad, till recently a moderator at Rorate Caeli. I wouldn't go so far as to speak of a wolf in sheep's clothing, but there is ample food for thought here, especially concerning what RC's agenda truly is. Every habitué of this site certainly knows what the agenda of Baronius Press is: making a few bucks off the regularization of the ghettoization of Tradition within the conciliar church.


    Thank you Claudel, infomation like this is most useful.


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    « Reply #38 on: July 11, 2012, 11:04:23 AM »
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    This newcomer to the site is particularly struck by the fact that the letter from Baronius Press was signed by Carlos Palad, till recently a moderator at Rorate Caeli. I wouldn't go so far as to speak of a wolf in sheep's clothing, but there is ample food for thought here, especially concerning what RC's agenda truly is. Every habitué of this site certainly knows what the agenda of Baronius Press is: making a few bucks off the regularization of the ghettoization of Tradition within the conciliar church.


    Thank you Claudel, infomation like this is mo st useful.


    You are both being judgemental. Please read the other posts on this thread. Thank you for bringing up Mr. Palad. I had no idea RC was connected to Baronius Press. It all makes sense now.
    I'm trying to prove the  "new 1962  missal" is coming.  I was posting the reply  for TKGS  benefit.  I totally agree with "newcomer" claudel about RC as anyone can see from my previous posts.
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    « Reply #39 on: July 11, 2012, 11:27:55 AM »
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  • This article appeared on the Traditio website a few days ago.  I consider Traditio reliable.  If some of you dont believe what they say.......do your research!






    The New "Hybrid Missal of 2012"
    Which Will Replace the "1962 Missal" for Pseudo-traditional Communities on December 2, 2012
    This New Missal Will Incorporate Several Features of the Novus Ordo Service
    All the Indult/Motu Communities in "Communion" with Benedict-Ratzinger's New Order Sect
    After just Five Years, Will Be Forced to Use the New "Hybrid Missal"
    Once again we TRADITIO Fathers called it. We said that the "Motu" Mess of 2007, sometimes falsely termed the "Extraordinary" Mess, a Ratzingerian term never before used in the history of the Catholic Church, was a complete hoax to deceive traditional Catholics. Like the Protestantized transitional Missals of 1964-1967 after Vatican II, the use of the half Novus Ordo Vatican II 1962 Missal was just a stopgap measure until Benedict-Ratzinger's Modernistic "Hybrid Missal of 2012" could be published. And now that pseudo-traditional missal is on Newvatican's printing presses, to supersede the 1962 Missal on its 50th anniversary. You Motarians, you were had -- just as we warned you in 2007. Now you will have to use the Modernistic "Hybrid Missal of 2012." The 1962 "Extrordinary Mess" is dead!

    In accordance with Benedict-Ratzinger's Modernistic Motu Summorum pontificuм of July 7, 2007, the new "Hybrid Missal of 2012" will replace the "1962 Missal" on December 2, 2012, the First Sunday of Advent. This Modernized "1962 Missal" will incorporate:

    The new "Good Friday" prayer, composed by Benedict-Ratzinger to placate the secular Jews. It contradicts the ancient Good Friday prayer, as well as Catholic theology.
    The new "Prefaces" from the Novus Ordo Protestant-Masonic-Pagan service of 1969.
    Feastdays of phony Novus Ordo "saints"
    Other accommodations to the Novus Ordo service
    All pseudo-traditional communities in "communion" with the New Order sect will be forced to use the new "Hybrid Missal of 2012." These communities include:

    Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP)
    Institute of Christ the King (ICR)
    Institute of the Good Shepherd (IBP)
    Fraternity of St. John Vianney (FSJV)
    Truly traditional Catholic priests will, of course, pay no attention to this phony "Hybrid Missal of 2012." They will continue to use the fully-traditional 1954 Missal or earlier. These courageous priests -- independents, SSPV, CMRI, and the rest -- do not have to dance to the Modernist Newpope's tune. But, for Fellay, it will be impossible to achieve his life's goal of being accepted into the New Order sect if he does not accept Ratzinger's "Hybrid Missal of 2012."


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    « Reply #40 on: July 11, 2012, 12:23:50 PM »
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    You are both being judgemental.


    To speak for myself, no, I am not. I pointed out what seemed to me a striking fact, a fact that I thought might interest others (I appear to have been right in this conjecture). Whatever assessments or judgments other readers may make, my statement that the connection between Mr. Palad and Baronius Press provides food for thought might be considered mistaken or uninformative or any one of a number of other things, but it can hardly, in and of itself, be called judgmental.


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    « Reply #41 on: July 11, 2012, 01:03:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora
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    It is no longer the 1962 Missal since 2007, as the Good Friday Prayer has been changed.

    The first step in many attacks and adaptations to come and be enforced.


    One can only wonder what manner of assaults on the Faith are in the works!

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    I would just seek out a 1962 Missal from Angelus Press or buy an old missal yourself.


    The problem with handmissals that are 60 years old is they tend to fall apart.
    They used high quality paper, usually, so the pages are okay, but the cover and
    the binding doesn't hold up well.

    One should not overlook the 1945 Fr. Lasance New Roman Missal. They were
    reprinted this century and cost around $60. It's an excellent daily missal, with
    supplements for several feast days that were added post '45 and before Vat. II.
    You just need to get a Movable Feasts table, as the one in the missal only goes
    up to 1975 or so. Why they don't improve that is anyone's guess. It has just
    about everything needed for the Canonized Latin Mass (the Novus Ordo
    can never be canonized!). Also, the St. Andrew Daily Missal, issue 1950 or
    thereabouts. Both of these have none of the corruptions that began in 1954
    with Bugnini's innovations, starting with Holy Week, the most ancient rites in
    the Church, arguably from Apostolic times.

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    Universae Ecclesiae changed the Good Friday prayer of the 1962 Missal.

    In fact, the 1962 Missal itself had been tampered with too, but was and is still entirely orthodox Roman Catholic of course. But the removal of the 'perfidis' and 'perfidem' by John XXIII's order was already a political compromise which was false. In fact, the Good Friday Prayer for the Jews is older than many other Roman Rite prayers and formulae. It can be dated back to 244 AD text fragments, right in the Catacomb times.

    The 2007 UE/SP revision of the 1962 Missal's Good Friday prayers is false and doctrinally doubtful (possibly heterodox formally, as it blurs the traditional teaching on the incredulity of the Jews).


    Thank you! for the statement above which I put in bold letters. The New Good Friday prayer was changed in 1962 which means to me that the [break] happened then. The SSPX has kept the pre-1962 Good Friday prayer in their own version of the 1962 Missal along with the second Confiteor, etc. to make it more traditional. Many people in the SSPX did not know in 2007 that the prayer had been already changed in 1962.


    They should have put some kind of footnote on the pages where such
    acommodations were made, so that readers could see if they were interested in
    knowing what that was. If no explanation is provided, I would really wonder why.
    It seems to be a gross oversight, or at worst, a deliberate intention to deceive.

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    In 2007, the SSPX (Angelus Press) printed a large quantity of the actual 1962 Missal because they thought they would be selling to the Indult communities but Rome was one step ahead of them and had the Missal published by Baronius Press.


    Thanks for the clue. I'd like to know who the owners of Baronius are.

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    Why do you think the 1962 Missal has always been regulated by an Indult[?] First JPII, Then, Summorum Pontificuм which ties it to the N.O as two expressions of the same rite. This indult was in reality more restrictive than JPII's because now, to have the "1962" missal you have to accept the N.O. as valid.


    Not if you reject this stupid rule as "invalid," based on the fact that we're in a
    state of emergency and the wires are crossed somewhere: possibly in the
    Holy Father's own HEAD.

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    Also, why do you think Rome is now changing their agreement with IGS, they now want them regulated by "Summorum Pontificuм" which was released after their initial agreement. Rome wants them regulated by SP because the trap (leash) is in SP.


    When a wild animal walks around in his homeland, he has no idea that a "trap"
    has been laid for him, and walking normally, and stepping on the trap, it is
    sprung and he is caught. Fortunately for us, we have the capacity to identify
    the trap in advance and thereby avoid it. We do not have to obey illegitimate
    orders. And this is why the SSPX should never sign any "deal" until Rome is
    willing to sit down and openly discuss DOCTRINE.

    Obedience to an order that is deceptive or opposed to the teachings of the
    Church is not a good obedience. We have had time to learn by painful experience
    what kinds of tricks these miscreants use to deceive the faithful and to render
    their orders illegitimate.

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    Absolutely every indult community must be regulated by it because the 1962 missal is what the pope tells them it is. They have signed the 1989 Profession of Faith and they must obey.


    That 1989 Profession of Faith isn't the first of its ilk. I asked a Modernist priest one
    time to recite with me the Oath Against Modernism and he refused. He said that
    it had been replaced by Paul VI. Now, I had known that the Oath was abandoned
    sometime in 1965, right near the end of Vatican II (which in itself is rather telling)
    but I did not know that it had a "replacement." I then asked this miscreant how I
    could find a copy of the replacement, and he told me that it was some kind of
    docuмent that I could find on the Vatican website. This was in 1999. I had just
    started learning how to use an Internet computer. So I found a machine and did
    my research. Long story short, it turned out to be a "Vatican Statement," not an
    encyclical or a Bull or whatever. The Vatican Statements were located in a
    separate part of the site. When I showed it to the priest, he said that yes, this was
    the thing that replaced the Oath. It was an oath of fidelity to the Roman Pontiff.

    So, no longer would clerics be answerable to God for faithfulness to Him, they
    were to be answerable to the Pope instead, for faithfulness to the pope!

    That says a lot.

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    Now is common knowledge why that is so. This is the missal that will lead to the "reform of the reform".

    This topic begun because someone wanted to have proof that a "new 1962 Missal" is coming.


    Like I said before, we'll know we're really in trouble when they start coming out
    with revised Vatican I docuмents. They have already done some little revisions
    on the Vat. II docs. Why not Vat. I as well? They rewrote the Latin Vulgate Bible
    to use the Unclean Spirit of Vatican II language. They re-wrote the Psalter in the
    1950's. They fabricated a new mass. They changed the Creed, using "I believe
    ... one in being with the Father ..., they rewrote the form of the sacraments -- all
    except the essential form of Baptism (they deleted all the preparatory ritual that
    had traditionally been used) and they changed the Exorcism form, such that the
    exorcist was then using a ritual that did not expel the demons.
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    « Reply #42 on: July 11, 2012, 03:24:39 PM »
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    You are both being judgemental.


    To speak for myself, no, I am not. I pointed out what seemed to me a striking fact, a fact that I thought might interest others (I appear to have been right in this conjecture). Whatever assessments or judgments other readers may make, my statement that the connection between Mr. Palad and Baronius Press provides food for thought might be considered mistaken or uninformative or any one of a number of other things, but it can hardly, in and of itself, be called judgmental.


    claudel,

    Please accept my apology. I thought you were referring to me as a newcomer instead of yourself. English is my second language and sometimes misunderstand things. I appreciate your comment much more now that is clear. Thank you.
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    « Reply #43 on: July 11, 2012, 05:02:01 PM »
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  • Thank you for your very gracious comment, Marie. Any day wherein a misunderstanding is cleared up is a good day.

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    « Reply #44 on: July 11, 2012, 07:13:21 PM »
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  • Well that was eye opening. I think one could argue that Benedict is even more dangerous to the Faith then JP2. JP2 was a gregarious actor who revelled in the applaus of his audience. Benedict is smart and knows exactly what he is doing. He has also done a wonderful job of duping many well meaning "conservatives" and "traditionalists."

    Brick by brick indeed. I can't help but think of the Cask of Amontillado. Problem is that Tradition is Fortunato in this case.