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Furthermore, the SSPX is going to expel Bishop Williamson soon (a district superior told so recently in a not yet public way), so all we friends of this true follower of Archbishop Lefebvre cannot "fall into line of the official SSPX" anymore because there won't be a line anymore which is allowed to hold up the Faith.

If this is true, that Bishop Williamson is going to be expelled (and God permits it), then perhaps it is for the protection of souls?

Bishop Williamson said in one of his videos, that God is shaking up the SSPX to get us in shape for the strife to come.  Maybe God wants the Truth to go Underground in order to preserve it?

In China, the True Church is underground, for its protection.  In the early days of the Church, the Christians were in the catacombs.  There are countless examples in history where the True Church has had to go into hiding in order to survive intense persecution.  

Perhaps God is preparing our protection for the evil that is to come?  It is harder to find Masses that are held in "garages" and homes than in Chapels.

It is also harder to subvert an organization that one cannot find.

Fortify your homes. The underground church already in the works.

I  am  very surprised there is not already a non-SSPX body of Catholics that has preferring to 'lay low' just in case the SSPX, ever the target, was absorbed, crushed, or collapsed under its dysfunction.

One 'draw'  of the SSPX  is the bishops, but there is no reason to believe other 'valid but illicit' consecrations mayn't have been done to act as a failsafe in such an event as above. The Palmarians,  minus the weird doctine, come to mind.

Of course authenticating such 'unpublicly acknowledged'  bishops would prove challenging, but whoever consecrated them could have done the proper docuмent with a seal and signature that was reasonably authenticatable.

Or perhaps theyve thought of a more clever way I have not thought of.

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Quote from: John Grace

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Furthermore, the SSPX is going to expel Bishop Williamson soon (a district superior told so recently in a not yet public way), so all we friends of this true follower of Archbishop Lefebvre cannot "fall into line of the official SSPX" anymore because there won't be a line anymore which is allowed to hold up the Faith.

If this is true, that Bishop Williamson is going to be expelled (and God permits it), then perhaps it is for the protection of souls?

Bishop Williamson said in one of his videos, that God is shaking up the SSPX to get us in shape for the strife to come.  Maybe God wants the Truth to go Underground in order to preserve it?

In China, the True Church is underground, for its protection.  In the early days of the Church, the Christians were in the catacombs.  There are countless examples in history where the True Church has had to go into hiding in order to survive intense persecution.  

Perhaps God is preparing our protection for the evil that is to come?  It is harder to find Masses that are held in "garages" and homes than in Chapels.

It is also harder to subvert an organization that one cannot find.

Fortify your homes. The underground church already in the works.

true, enough, got my own library and closet is partially a prayer chapel.....

I  am  very surprised there is not already a non-SSPX body of Catholics that has [been] preferring to 'lay low' just in case the SSPX, ever the target, was absorbed, crushed, or collapsed under its dysfunction.

One 'draw'  of the SSPX  is the bishops, but there is no reason to believe other 'valid but illicit' consecrations mayn't have been done to act as a failsafe in such an event as above. The Palmarians,  minus the weird doct[r]ine, come to mind.

Of course authenticating such 'unpublicly acknowledged'  bishops would prove challenging, but whoever consecrated them could have done the proper docuмent with a seal and signature that was reasonably authenticatable.

Or perhaps they've thought of a more clever way I have not thought of.

There are independent chapels and independent priests all over the world.
Many of them cooperate with the SSPX and have been welcomed by the SSPX
leadership. But that might start to change now.


Keep an eye peeled for news that an independent priest who has been in the
sanctuary during Mass in the past, is no longer welcome. For if they can un-invite
Bishop Williamson to the GC and post calumnious lies about Frs. Pfeiffer and
Chazal on the Internet just because they dare to speak out against the apostasy
of +Fellay and the office help, they can most certainly do it to their other erstwhile
friends.


And watch for a local pastor who may continue to welcome independent priests
who have dared to speak out, because the district superior over him will likely
punish him somehow, perhaps by removing him from the parish.

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I  am  very surprised there is not already a non-SSPX body of Catholics that has [been] preferring to 'lay low' just in case the SSPX, ever the target, was absorbed, crushed, or collapsed under its dysfunction.

One 'draw'  of the SSPX  is the bishops, but there is no reason to believe other 'valid but illicit' consecrations mayn't have been done to act as a failsafe in such an event as above. The Palmarians,  minus the weird doct[r]ine, come to mind.

Of course authenticating such 'unpublicly acknowledged'  bishops would prove challenging, but whoever consecrated them could have done the proper docuмent with a seal and signature that was reasonably authenticatable.

Or perhaps they've thought of a more clever way I have not thought of.

There are independent chapels and independent priests all over the world.
Many of them cooperate with the SSPX and have been welcomed by the SSPX
leadership. But that might start to change now.


Keep an eye peeled for news that an independent priest who has been in the
sanctuary during Mass in the past, is no longer welcome. For if they can un-invite
Bishop Williamson to the GC and post calumnious lies about Frs. Pfeiffer and
Chazal on the Internet just because they dare to speak out against the apostasy
of +Fellay and the office help, they can most certainly do it to their other erstwhile
friends.


And watch for a local pastor who may continue to welcome independent priests
who have dared to speak out, because the district superior over him will likely
punish him somehow, perhaps by removing him from the parish.

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