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NEO-SSPX Vocations slowing down, People are waking up !!
« on: September 19, 2019, 09:18:53 AM »
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  • The Neo-SSPX's Actual Leader, Bernie Fellay, Grits His Teeth
    As His Sect, Slinking toward Joining the Fake Newchurch
    Is Finally Paying the Price for Its Treason
    To Archbishop Lefebvre, Who Founded the Original SSPX
    And Publicly Condemned the Newchurch of the New Order
    And Its Newpopes as "Not Catholic"
    Vocations Have Now "Stagnated"
    Because the Truth about the Neo-SSPX Treason
    Is Coming out, as Almost 20 per Cent of Its Clergy
    Have Abandoned the Sellout Sect
    We don't hear much concrete information of the Fellay-Pagliarini Neo-SSPX, the Hell-bent, Novus Ordo-leaning sect that in 1994 replaced Archbishop Lefebvre's original traditional Catholic Society of St. Pius X. The Neo-SSPX is very secretive, as if it had something to hide. All we generally get is propaganda from its headquarters in Menzingen, Switzerland. But buried in its August 20, 2019, St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary bulletin is startling new information in the bulletin's "Interview with Rev. Fr. Patrick Troadec," Troadec is rector of the Neo-SSPX's St. Curé of Ars Seminary in Flavigny, France, where the largest contingent of Neo-SSPXers reside. Troadec is retiring after 23 years in that position.
    Previously we have learned from sources outside the Neo-SSPX that over 100 priest-presbyters, almost 20 per cent of the total Neo-SSPX clergy, have abandoned Fellay over the last few years because they didn't go along with his attempted sellout to the Newchurch of the New Order, which Archbishop Lefebvre rejected as Modernist Rome. Now we find out from this 23-year seminary rector that Neo-SSPX vocations under Fellay-Pagliarani have "stagnated." Troadec was asked: "The number of vocations seems to have stagnated, then, because today there are many more pupils in [Neo-]SSPX schools than there were 20 years ago. How do you explain the difficulty of developing vocations?"
    Troadec is honest in assigning the following causes for this stagnation in the Neo-SSPX:

    True Catholics, the Neo-SSPX is paying the same price as the sect that it wishes to join, the Modernist/Marxist Francis-Bergoglio's Newchurch. "Vocations" -- if one can use that word of a false sect -- in Newchurch have sunk into the toilet. Now we have evidence from the Neo-SSPX itself that the traitorous Fellay-Pagliarani sect is sinking as well.


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    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 10:30:14 AM »
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    Previously we have learned from sources outside the Neo-SSPX that over 100 priest-presbyters, almost 20 per cent of the total Neo-SSPX clergy, have abandoned Fellay over the last few years because they didn't go along with his attempted sellout to the Newchurch of the New Order
    Need I remind everyone that Traditio is childish and stupid?

    Childish, because they run all their articles through a script that changes all instances of "priest" with "presbyter", all instances of "Bishop Fellay" with "Fellay" or "Bernie Fellay", etc. It's almost hard to read their articles. (A few names are understandable: Neo-SSPX to distinguish the new SSPX that was publicly manifest in 2012, Newchurch as a nickname or synonym for the Conciliar Church). But Traditio doesn't even show these men the charity that should be shown human beings created in God's image who COULD save their souls by a miracle of God's grace. In other words, Traditio doesn't even show the Pope and Bp. Fellay the charity we should show Hillary Clinton or George Soros, much less the respect due to the dignity of a cleric or prelate.

    Why is Traditio calling validly ordained priests "priest-presbyters"? They weren't ordained by Novus Ordo bishops, so they have NO leg to stand on in this assertion. There are only a handful of Conciliar-ordained priests working with the SSPX out of their total (500?), but usually such "friends of the Society" aren't called SSPX priests. There was a very high profile case in Ridgefield, but A) he's not called an SSPX priest and B) he didn't leave!  

    And Fr. Zigrang who was always a "friend of the SSPX" rather than an SSPX priest, who was (at least originally) ordained in the Conciliar Church, is still with the SSPX. So it's looking like the priests who left were 100% valid, not 99%.

    Just because the Neo-SSPX is heading back to Rome, and eventually might have doubtful ordinations (due to being ordained by Conciliar bishops), doesn't mean that such was true in the past, or that it's true in the present. Let's stick with reality, shall we?

    This isn't Nineteen-Eighty-Four, where we change who our enemy is, and then retroactively change history so that we were ALWAYS enemies with them. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Even if the SSPX was completely absorbed by the Conciliar Church today, and all future SSPX ordinations were done by a female Anglican "bishop" wearing a Barney the Dinosaur costume during the ceremony, it wouldn't change the status of the 550+ priests the SSPX already has as of September 19, 2019.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 10:37:22 AM »
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  • P.S., I have to doubt even the very premise of the article. I'd love to believe it, but let's face it. It's coming from Traditio. 

    The same organization that calls the priests WHO LEFT the SSPX, who were ordained by one of the 4 +Lefebvre-line bishops, "priest-presbyters".

    If Traditio said the sky was blue, I think I'd have to visually check for myself before believing it.

    Less than useless, they are.
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    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2019, 05:42:37 PM »
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  • P.S., I have to doubt even the very premise of the article. I'd love to believe it, but let's face it. It's coming from Traditio.

    The same organization that calls the priests WHO LEFT the SSPX, who were ordained by one of the 4 +Lefebvre-line bishops, "priest-presbyters".

    If Traditio said the sky was blue, I think I'd have to visually check for myself before believing it.

    Less than useless, they are.

    :laugh1: ... I suspect that they call them priest-presbyters because they offer the "Half Novus Ordo Mess" of 1962 (aka the 1962 edition of the Tridentine Rite).

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    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2019, 05:48:50 PM »
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  • Need I remind everyone that Traditio is childish and stupid?

    Childish, because they run all their articles through a script that changes all instances of "priest" with "presbyter", all instances of "Bishop Fellay" with "Fellay" or "Bernie Fellay", etc. It's almost hard to read their articles. (A few names are understandable: Neo-SSPX to distinguish the new SSPX that was publicly manifest in 2012, Newchurch as a nickname or synonym for the Conciliar Church). But Traditio doesn't even show these men the charity that should be shown human beings created in God's image who COULD save their souls by a miracle of God's grace. In other words, Traditio doesn't even show the Pope and Bp. Fellay the charity we should show Hillary Clinton or George Soros, much less the respect due to the dignity of a cleric or prelate.

    Why is Traditio calling validly ordained priests "priest-presbyters"? They weren't ordained by Novus Ordo bishops, so they have NO leg to stand on in this assertion. There are only a handful of Conciliar-ordained priests working with the SSPX out of their total (500?), but usually such "friends of the Society" aren't called SSPX priests. There was a very high profile case in Ridgefield, but A) he's not called an SSPX priest and B) he didn't leave!  

    And Fr. Zigrang who was always a "friend of the SSPX" rather than an SSPX priest, who was (at least originally) ordained in the Conciliar Church, is still with the SSPX. So it's looking like the priests who left were 100% valid, not 99%.

    Just because the Neo-SSPX is heading back to Rome, and eventually might have doubtful ordinations (due to being ordained by Conciliar bishops), doesn't mean that such was true in the past, or that it's true in the present. Let's stick with reality, shall we?

    This isn't Nineteen-Eighty-Four, where we change who our enemy is, and then retroactively change history so that we were ALWAYS enemies with them. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Even if the SSPX was completely absorbed by the Conciliar Church today, and all future SSPX ordinations were done by a female Anglican "bishop" wearing a Barney the Dinosaur costume during the ceremony, it wouldn't change the status of the 550+ priests the SSPX already has as of September 19, 2019.
    Do people here believe it would take some miracle (besides the extent to which salvation always is) for Bp. Fellay to save his soul?
    I mean I realize you guys aren’t in agreement with him, but those disagreements seem to be more along the lines of “he’s closer to the fssp than to lefebvre” not “he’s a heretic”


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    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2019, 07:32:38 PM »
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  • Do people here believe it would take some miracle (besides the extent to which salvation always is) for Bp. Fellay to save his soul?

    Only God knows.  If he were to do something that costs the faith of many souls in future generations, well, he would certainly at least require quite a bit of time in Purgatory.  Being a superior is not all honor and glory.  It's why St. Pius X wept after he was elected to the papacy.  Now, in a way, though, even if someone makes a mistake, God in turn has willed those souls who suffered the consequences of it to have been so afflicted ... and God is Merciful and understands that we are weak and we make mistakes ... and that our judgment is not always perfect, and He asks us to do our best.  Greater luminaries than +Fellay have fallen into grave confusion regarding the Vatican II crisis.  God will judge in the internal forum, the degree to which +Fellay corresponded to the graces and lights he received, and the degree to which he honestly sought the truth.  If personal self-interest weighed into his bad judgments, then God will judge that.  We, however, are in no position to speculate about something that will ultimately be between God and +Fellay.

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    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2019, 09:06:39 PM »
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  • Only God knows.  If he were to do something that costs the faith of many souls in future generations, well, he would certainly at least require quite a bit of time in Purgatory.  Being a superior is not all honor and glory.  It's why St. Pius X wept after he was elected to the papacy.  Now, in a way, though, even if someone makes a mistake, God in turn has willed those souls who suffered the consequences of it to have been so afflicted ... and God is Merciful and understands that we are weak and we make mistakes ... and that our judgment is not always perfect, and He asks us to do our best.  Greater luminaries than +Fellay have fallen into grave confusion regarding the Vatican II crisis.  God will judge in the internal forum, the degree to which +Fellay corresponded to the graces and lights he received, and the degree to which he honestly sought the truth.  If personal self-interest weighed into his bad judgments, then God will judge that.  We, however, are in no position to speculate about something that will ultimately be between God and +Fellay.
    I guess I was being nitpicky, but in the original comment it was referenced "if by some miracle Francis and Fellay save their souls".  that's why I said that.

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    « Reply #7 on: September 20, 2019, 04:41:28 AM »
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  • Am I missing something, what they wrote says the vocations have increased, not decreased:


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    Troadec was asked: "The number of vocations seems to have stagnated, then, because today there are many more pupils in [Neo-]SSPX schools than there were 20 years ago. How do you explain the difficulty of developing vocations?"
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

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    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2019, 05:16:11 AM »
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  • More students in the schools but not many vocations.  They forgot to mention that once these students go to college, many of them lose the faith.  
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    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2019, 05:34:53 AM »
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  • More students in the schools but not many vocations.  They forgot to mention that once these students go to college, many of them lose the faith.  

    Tricky part for parents, however, is that technically the kids become legal adults at 18, and if they're determined to go, there's little you can do to stop them.  And, then, even if they don't go to college, what happens instead of that?  They find some kind of job and then lose the faith after that.  If someone is determined to lose the faith, they'll find a way to do it.

    There's the very real phenomenon of rebellion against what they perceive as the excessive strictness of their parents.  I've known a couple of families where the kids were homeschooled through High School, did not atttend college, and they all lost the faith anyway.  Once the kids got out on their own, they were gone.

    At the end of the day, people will do what they want to do.  It's called free will.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2019, 08:04:04 AM »
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  • At the end of the day, the goal is that by the time children become independent and go out on their own, they sincerely WANT to do what's right and good, of their own accord.  As a parent, you can arrange external circuмstances that are most conducive toward this goal.  You can command and force certain behavior.  But the internal dispositions, those are a function of grace and free will.  Prayers and the Sacraments bring grace.  Sacraments offer grace ex opere operato, but the application to the soul depends on the subject's cooperation and disposition.  Same with prayer.  Sure, people can move their lips, while having their hearts far from God.  It's important to try instilling a habit of MENTAL prayer in the children, not just vocal prayer.  We can try to persuade them that keeping the faith is in their own best interests (even if they're not motivated for doing the right and good thing for its own sake).

    But, despite all this, you can lead the horse to water but you can't make it drink.  There's that little pesky thing called free will.  Look at Judas.  If anyone was ever exposed to better example, a better environment, and closer to the Source of Grace Himself, than Judas, then I'd love to know who that was.  At the end of the day, he rejected all that and was lost.  I've seen parents do everything "right", and have all their kids turn into delinquents.  I've seen parents do everything "wrong," and have their kids end up being great Catholics.  God foreknows which souls He gives to which parents.  Sometimes the more difficult cases are given to the better parents, while the easier cases are assigned to the worse parents.  Sometimes the suffering caused to the good parents is intended for their sanctification.  God alone knows all the reasons for who, why, what, and where everything was arranged.  We must do our best, and attempt to save our own souls, but ultimately the salvation of other souls is out of our direct control.  There's a temptation to say, "look at how bad those kids are; they must have had bad parents" or, the opposite, "look at how good the kids are; they must have had great parents."  There's a temptation for parents whose kids turn out well to take credit for it and be proud, and for parents whose kids don't turn out well, to become despondent and despair, perhaps even of their own salvation.  But nothing is that simple.  God alone knows the truth and reality of the situation.

    And it's also critically important that parents do not despair when their kids take a detour on the path to salvation when they reach their college years and young adulthood.  St. Monica prayed and wept for decades, and her delinquent son became one of the Church's greatest saints ... and so did she.  Augustine's straying undoubtedly contributed to her sanctification.  One might argue that, had her son turned out great from the beginning, she would not have attained to the degree of sanctification and perfection that God led her to.  So here's an example where the straying of her son was part of God's will to sanctify her.  St. Rita's sons were delinquents, to the point that she prayed that they would die rather than lose their souls (as seemed inevitable).  And see the degree of sanctification to which she was led by God.

    I can hardly recommend enough to parents to lead their children through making the First Saturdays and First Fridays as soon as they're old enough (have received Holy Communion).  If you do that, it's guaranteed by Our Lady and by God that they will ultimately be saved.  That can be a source of comfort for you as they stray, that eventually they will come back and save their souls.  It's not uncommon that the seeds planted by parents eventually, often many many years later, bear fruit in their ultimate conversion back to the faith.  Even if the child buries the seed, it stays there, waiting for an opportunity to sprout.  Sometimes, God knows that the children must wallow in sin for a while before they realize that these things can never make them happy, and that the grass is not in fact greener on the other side.  Sometimes God will allow them to hit rock bottom so that they can realize this.  So the prodigal son was at the point of trying to get food left over by animals and sleeping in pig stalls ... before he realized how good he had it in his father's house.

    Sometimes children stray in their young adulthood, but then mature when they have children of their own.  Suddenly they start to realize that maybe their parents weren't all that bad and were tying to do what was good for their children.  This happens even naturally.  I've seen people who cared little for health and nutrition, for example, until they had children, and then suddenly they became very conscious of trying to have them eat right.  Similarly, people who may resent the discipline imposed by their own parents suddenly find themselves wanting to do the same for their own children, realizing thereby that their parents were merely attempting to do the same.

    We must do our best and then leave the rest to God.


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    Re: NEO-SSPX Vocations slowing down, People are waking up !!
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  • Meanwhile, in the real world,

    A Large Number of First Year Seminarians for the SSPX
    OCTOBER 12, 2018
    SOURCE: FSSPX.NEWS


    This fall, the seminaries of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X in the northern hemisphere began another school year.

    In the United States, the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Dillwyn, Virginia, welcomed 24 pre-seminarians (21 Americans and 3 Canadians) and 27 first-year seminarians: 24 Americans, 2 Irishmen and 1 Canadian.

    In France, the St. Curé d’Ars Seminary began the new year on October 6, first Saturday of the month and the eve of the feast of Our Lady of the Rosary, with 16 first-year candidates: 12 are French, 2 English, 1 Portuguese and 1 Swiss.

    In Germany, the Sacred Heart Seminary in Zaitzkofen, Bavaria, welcomed 7 candidates on the same day: 3 are Polish, 2 Austrian, 1 German and 1 Lithuanian. 3 German postulants also entered the Brothers’ Novitiate.

    In all, 50 young men have answered God’s call and begun their preparation for the priesthood in the SSPX seminaries in Europe and North America. May they persevere for all six years of their formation, with the help of God’s grace and their daily fidelity to seminary life.

    In March, the SSPX seminaries in Argentina and Australia welcomed 15 candidates in the spirituality year. In all, 65 first-year seminarians will have entered in the year 2018: almost a record, since it has been more than thirty years since the numbers were this high.
    October 6: New Seminarians at SSPX Seminary in France

    See also: https://fsspx.uk/en/news-events/news/celebration-30-years-sspx-presence-india-15737
    Celebration of 30 years of SSPX presence in India
    MAY 13, 2016
    SOURCE: DISTRICT OF GREAT BRITAIN


    On the 17th of April 2016 Bp. Fellay made a visit to Palayamkottai to celebrate the 30th Anniversary of the arrival of the SSPX in India, where he was joined by Fr. Karl Stehlin, Superior of the District of Asia. See the gallery of photographs taken during the celebrations."

    The second article above was written by my superior Fr. Therasian Xavier. By the Grace of God, the Society continues its apostolate, for the Glory of God, and the Salvation of Souls, and Almighty God continues to bless and favour it with His signal Graces and Blessings.
    "We wish also to make amends for the insults to which Your Vicar on earth and Your Priests are everywhere subjected [above all by schismatic sedevacantists - Nishant Xavier], for the profanation, by conscious neglect or Terrible Acts of Sacrilege, of the very Sacrament of Your Divine Love; and lastly for the Public Crimes of Nations who resist the Rights and The Teaching Authority of the Church which You have founded." - Act of Reparation to the Sacred Heart of Lord Jesus.

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  • In the United States, the St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Dillwyn, Virginia, welcomed 24 pre-seminarians (21 Americans and 3 Canadians) and 27 first-year seminarians: 24 Americans, 2 Irishmen and 1 Canadian.

    Back when I was at STAS, we had 21 first year seminarians.  It's this need to accommodate "pre-seminarians" that led to their alleged need to buy the Virginia property.  And that could have been done with a small addition to the building or else a separate building somewhere on the vast acreage at Winona.

    But I guess the tactic worked.  We have prospects like XavierSem admitting that he chose SSPX over FSSP due to the size and lavishness of the seminary.

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  • In March, the SSPX seminaries in Argentina and Australia welcomed 15 candidates in the spirituality year. In all, 65 first-year seminarians will have entered in the year 2018: almost a record, since it has been more than thirty years since the numbers were this high.

    So after 30 years of SSPX "growth", they ALMOST set a record.  Just by way of natural growth, that record should have been eclipsed long ago, much less "almost" after more than thirty years.  But for every new priest they ordain, they seem to lose one or two.  We had 21 in 1989.  But the prospects of an extravagant luxurious seminary complex has increased that number to 27 this year.

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  • .. technically the kids become legal adults at 18, and if they're determined to go, there's little you can do to stop them. 
    Family, room and board, Mom's good cooking, love of family...……. that's quite a lot to call little.
    In the end, where the rubber meets thee road, the only real friends you have are your family.  That is, if your family provided room and board, Mom's good cooking, love of family...…….
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24