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« on: January 06, 2017, 10:58:39 AM »
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  • So now we're the Amish? Just stay off the Internet? What is the Internet penetration rate in 2016 --

    286,942,362
    Internet Users in the U.S.A. (2016*)

        Share of U.S. Population: 88.5 % (penetration)
        Total Population : 324,118,787

    Source: http://www.internetlivestats.com/internet-users/us/

    That's pretty ridiculous. But the funny thing is, these people aren't going to completely avoid the Internet. They'll just stay off the deep, thinking mans' sites with discussions  about news, cօռspιʀαcιҽs, important issues, etc. They'll stick to Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Fox News, Youtube, etc. In other words, they'll stick to things that will NOT inform them, and will imbue them with Liberalism, Feminism, Globalism, and other errors.

    They simply won't be interested in their Faith, or important issues that matter in the world of Tradition. How can that possibly be a good thing? These Trads are being set up for a fall. They are being groomed to be APATHETIC and IGNORANT about what the Traditional Movement is about.

    Even worse, by being told to avoid all "social media" and "forums" talking about Catholicism, they are being ISOLATED from their fellow Traditional Catholics. Their views on the Crisis will only come from one source, like in a cult: their church. That's it. No chance to broaden their horizons, or question their positions.

    Here is the crux of the matter:
    Adhering to the SSPX is a completely different matter than adhering to the Catholic Faith.
    The Catholic Faith you cling to and reject everything else. The SSPX you must question, question, always keep your eyes open. They were not founded by Jesus Christ, nor did the SSPX ever receive a promise that "the gates of hell will not prevail against it".

    When the Catholic Church says, "don't read this book" or "you are forbidden to read that author", that is good. They are protecting our souls from error. The Catholic Church alone can claim to be the One True Church.

    When ANY OTHER lesser religious group tries to do this, it is A RED FLAG: cult behavior, isolation, cowardly avoidance of reality/criticism, and censorship. They do this out of weakness, to eliminate competition, and to make sure their sheep end up on THEIR pastor's plates, and no one else's.

    If the SSPX were forbidding its members to read things critical of the Catholic Faith, that would be fine. They would be speaking as a part of the Catholic Church. But when they forbid members to read websites that are perfectly Traditional Catholic but critical of THEMSELVES, that's a bit hypocritical and self-serving, don't you think?

    So SSPX parishioners being placed in an echo chamber/cult situation, where they never double-check anything against the broader group of Tradition is a very bad thing indeed.
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    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2017, 10:59:38 AM »
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  • The post above was inspired by someone telling me that Fr. A has literally told various parishioners to "stay off the Internet".

    He also used the term "resistance trash".

    Hmm...what does that remind me of... oh yes -- in Star Wars, one of the Imperial officers -- A BAD GUY -- calls a member of the Rebellion, "Rebel scuм!"

    Rebel/Resistance, scuм/trash -- almost a word for word quote there!

    And the SSPX is every bit as hopeless and fallen as the Empire in the Star Wars movies.

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    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2017, 11:39:01 AM »
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  • These types of situations make me thankful for this site.  Thanks, Matthew.  Also, nice star wars reference.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2017, 12:00:11 PM »
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    He also used the term "resistance trash".

    I don't really like the term "resistance" (though I have used it myself) because it gives the idea that we as traditional Catholics are revolutionaries like the communists instead of the unholders of traditional values and religion. I don't know what other term to describe the movement would be more appropriate.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 12:36:45 PM »
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  • Generally speaking, a "resistance" is a very small piece of the original whole.

    It's almost part of the definition of being "resistance" to be outnumbered. To be the underdog, the David to the large organization's Goliath.

    Speaking of David and Goliath -- which of those two was "the good guy"?

    That brings up the next point -- a "resistance" is usually righteous, or at least has a very good claim to being the good/righteous side.

    When you have a REBELLION against a good king, the old order, etc. -- basically a REVOLUTIONARY movement -- they never call it a Resistance. The French revolutionaries didn't call or consider themselves the "resistance" to the legitimate king Louis XVI.

    Are there any cases where revolutionaries or bad guys called themselves the Resistance? Any historians out there?

    Why is that? Why is the "resistance" usually good? Perhaps it has to do with the adage, "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Large organizations/countries/governments have a tendency to go to far, and become evil.

    And then the little guy needs to organize and form a Resistance movement.
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    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2017, 12:44:16 PM »
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    Are there any cases where revolutionaries or bad guys called themselves the Resistance? Any historians out there?


    The French resistance comes to mind. There may be others. That is the "resistance" that I think is most famous, though I am not a historian.
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    « Reply #6 on: January 06, 2017, 01:02:01 PM »
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    Are there any cases where revolutionaries or bad guys called themselves the Resistance? Any historians out there?


    The French resistance comes to mind. There may be others. That is the "resistance" that I think is most famous, though I am not a historian.


    Um...the French Resistance was indisputably "the good side". Who were they resisting or fighting against? The nαzιs.

    My question was specifically: have any BAD GUYS appropriated the term "resistance"?
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    « Reply #7 on: January 06, 2017, 01:05:40 PM »
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    Um...the French Resistance was indisputably "the good guys". Who were they resisting? The nαzιs.

    My question was specifically: have any BAD GUYS appropriated the term "resistance"?

    Um I thought we were all revisionists here on Cathinfo. They were resisting the Vichy regime of Petain by means of terrorism, not just the nαzιs. The SSPX has traditionally supported Petain's government. It is one of the reasons the SSPX is hated in France. Archbishop Lefebre organized pilgrimages to Petain's tomb (according to wikipedia which uses it as an attack). And the other famous French traditional Catholic the Abbe de Nantes also supported the Petain government. I must admit I am not an expert of this topic. I wish I knew more about history from a traditionalist perspective.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 06, 2017, 01:18:49 PM »
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  • Ok, so there's some controversy about it. Sounds like a neutral, political fight then.

    I'm guessing Petain's government was under nαzι control then? It's very understandable for a group of zealous Good Guys to oppose both the conquerors AND the puppet government the conquerors put in place.

    It sounds like it was at least matter for debate. They had a reasonable claim on being Good Guys. The French Revolutionaries, for example, would not have had such a *reasonable* claim.

    I think the most fundamental element to being "resistance" is the fact that you are small, and you oppose an overpowering, existing authority. And in almost every case,  principles and ideals -- and usually conservatism -- are the main fuel for the resistance.
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    « Reply #9 on: January 06, 2017, 01:47:48 PM »
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  • I guess they feel really threatened by the wide spread of information the internet permits nowadays. Some of this information is of course, very counterproductive to the SSPX organization.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 06, 2017, 01:56:38 PM »
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  • The internet and social media got Trump elected, and it's waking more people up about the Christ-haters.

    Also, Catholics learn about Tradition on the internet, not at their Novus Ordo and controlled opposition Neo-SSPX chapels.

    No wonder the Krah Mites at Neo-SSPX want Catholics to avoid the internet.

    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)


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    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2017, 02:10:31 PM »
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    Ok, so there's some controversy about it. Sounds like a neutral, political fight then.

    It sounds like it was at least matter for debate.


    Just FYI.  
    Controversies surrounding Archbishop Lefebvre:
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    Support for the Vichy government (1940–1944).
    Lefebvre spoke approvingly of the "Catholic order of Pétain", referring to the Vichy Premier Marshal Philippe Pétain... The Society organises pilgrimages to Pétain's tomb,[4] and during the 1987 pilgrimage the Archbishop referred to him as having "restored [France] spiritually and morally".[5]

    ^Of course, the above is out of date.  This is a past controversy, as I can't imagine the politically-correct rebranded XSPX still holding this position.  I doubt the French still do the pilgrimage to Petain's tomb, though they did as recently as 2007.



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    Prologue - page vi.

    As a missionary in Gabon, contact with civil authorities was obviously more frequent than as Vicar at Le Marais-de-Lomme in the Diocese of Lille. This time of mission was marked by the Gaullist invasion; we were able to witness the victory of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ against the Catholic Order of Petain. it was the invasion of the barbarians without faith or law!


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    Fr. Lefebvre could clearly see the implementation of these principles in France in 1945. Marshal Petain was iniquitously condemned to death on August 15, the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin, and was moved on November 15 to the Fort de la Pierre Levee on the Isle d'Yeu. Did Fr. Marcel make his strong feelings on the matter known at the time? In any case he did so later, explaining to his seminarians: "De Gaulle brought back everything that Marshal Petain had driven out of France. Everything was once again ruined, and the movement for Catholic and Christian order was decapitated."

    On April 13, 1987, at the tomb of Marshal Petain on the Isle d'Yeu, he paid tribute in the following words to the soldier who had heroically sacrificed himself for his country: "You saved France twice, and you not only saved it but you rebuilt it spiritually and morally by making it rediscover its deepest traditions of faith, work and love of family... In this you showed so much exceptional heroism and virtue that you should have been given the title of Father of the Country."


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    « Reply #12 on: January 06, 2017, 02:12:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: Croix de Fer
    The internet and social media got Trump elected, and it's waking more people up about the Christ-haters.

    Also, Catholics learn about Tradition on the internet, not at their Novus Ordo and controlled opposition Neo-SSPX chapels.

    No wonder the Krah Mites at Neo-SSPX want Catholics to avoid the internet.


    If I save my soul, it will be in large part because of the internet. If I did not use the internet there is no way I would have ever converted to traditional Catholicism and there is no way I would have ever learned much about the faith.
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    « Reply #13 on: January 06, 2017, 02:22:07 PM »
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    The internet and social media got Trump elected, and it's waking more people up about the Christ-haters.

    Also, Catholics learn about Tradition on the internet, not at their Novus Ordo and controlled opposition Neo-SSPX chapels.

    No wonder the Krah Mites at Neo-SSPX want Catholics to avoid the internet.


    If I save my soul, it will be in large part because of the internet. If I did not use the internet there is no way I would have ever converted to traditional Catholicism and there is no way I would have ever learned much about the faith.


    Of course, God could have found a way, but your point is well-taken.  
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    « Reply #14 on: January 06, 2017, 03:44:41 PM »
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    Ok, so there's some controversy about it. Sounds like a neutral, political fight then.

    I'm guessing Petain's government was under nαzι control then? It's very understandable for a group of zealous Good Guys to oppose both the conquerors AND the puppet government the conquerors put in place.

    It sounds like it was at least matter for debate. They had a reasonable claim on being Good Guys. The French Revolutionaries, for example, would not have had such a *reasonable* claim.

    I think the most fundamental element to being "resistance" is the fact that you are small, and you oppose an overpowering, existing authority. And in almost every case,  principles and ideals -- and usually conservatism -- are the main fuel for the resistance.


    Petain and the National socialists and its allies essentially formed all of Catholic europe, fighting against them was fighting for protestant Allies.

    Petain was a great Catholic hero, did you know that many monasteries and convents were still closed down in France from the French revolution were given back to the church by Petain?  The basis of the law under Petain's regime was Catholic.  

    The French resistance were mainly the liberals who hated conservatism and after the war they became the government...look at France now....

    And no the nαzιs were not the "bad guys", they closed the Masons down, they implemented Catholic economic policies, they effectively banned birth control, promoted traditional family values, they gave hundreds of millions of marks to the church, they fought against zionism and world Jєωry, etc. ....Did they have some bad policies like sterilization for the disabled? Yes...but compared to the protestant liberals of USA,britain and the communist soviets, they were far beyond compare.  Were certain members terrible in their beliefs, like rosenberg? Yes.... but still 100 times more Catholic than the Allies.  
    The most Catholic leaders in the 20th century were the National socialists, Petain regime, Catholic Slovakia, Francoist Spain, Mussolini's Italy...and they were the Axis powers...see the contradiction you are in?

    Look up greatest story never told on youtube or google.