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Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
« on: December 24, 2019, 11:05:30 AM »
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    • I spoke with a seminarian who attended the SSPX seminary in Winona in 2000, and then came back in 2006 (a few years after +Williamson left) and stayed for a few years.

    The changes, hitting him all at once, were shocking. I'm surprised he stayed that long!

    But he told me some very, very interesting things about seminary life in 2006.

    Fr. Le Roux came up with a shorthand for the 3 virtues he wanted every seminarian to practice most of all:

    THE THREE D'S
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    Delicacy - ???
    Disinterestedness - "Whatever the superior wants, that's what I want". Complete passivity.
    Dependence

    Of all the virtues the SSPX American seminary could be pushing on its seminarians -- to the extent they even have a shorthand "Remember the 3 D's!" they can remind each other with -- those three "virtues" are some very curious selections for their FUTURE PRIESTS.

    I need not list a bunch of better virtues for a priest: wisdom, prudence, piety, knowledge, fortitude, lack of human respect, charity, devotion to Mary, etc. You could easily add to this list.

    Also, the super-virtue for SSPX seminarians today is OBEDIENCE. Therefore, logically, the Superior General (the highest target of obedience) is venerated as a living saint. His mouth always speaks the words of God.

    They even created a sort of "holy card" commemorating certain Bishop Fellay meeting(s) in Rome, etc.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #1 on: December 24, 2019, 11:08:40 AM »
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    • Isn't that going to attract the wrong kind of seminarian? Like, the lavender variety?
    I'm not saying all modern SSPX seminarians are lavender. But those young men who ARE of the lavender persuasion will be attracted to this new seminary ideal. THAT is the problem.

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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #2 on: December 24, 2019, 11:15:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 24, 2019, 11:08:40 AM
    Isn't that going to attract the wrong kind of seminarian? Like, the lavender variety?
    I'm not saying all modern SSPX seminarians are lavender. But those young men who ARE of the lavender persuasion will be attracted to this new seminary ideal. THAT is the problem.

    Yes, I would definitely like to see the "delicacy" defined.

    Delicate priests repulse me.

    As for the "disinterestedness," it is manifest in every SSPX priest still in the SSPX:

    None of them even know there is a crisis in the SSPX, and if they did, they would simply prefer wine and good cheese to exploring the causes of it.

    They are convinced (without really caring one way or the other, though) that they are carrying on the legacy of Archbishop Lefebvre, which was squandered by the GREC-Celier blueprint long ago.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #3 on: December 24, 2019, 11:24:56 AM »
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    • Meanwhile, tough and virile priests are edifying to all.

    I've been blessed to know many good priests. Strong in Faith, apostolic, men of action, trampling human respect underfoot, committed to Christ the King and devotion to the Blessed Mother, truly interested in the Faith as is shown by their wide knowledge of Catholic doctrine, prayers, lives of the saints...
    And these same priests are personally holy as well, practicing mortification and truly living the Cross.

    I don't want to list any, because I might leave some out. But not all of them are in the Resistance, for example Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer (not to be confused with Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer).

    There are a lot of old-school SSPX priests that would be in this list. Priests who knew how to inspire Catholics to live the Catholic Faith and Tradition (but I repeat myself).

    The kind of priests that wouldn't put up with young women dressing immodestly. The priests who took their male parishioners to task for the lack of altar servers. The kind of priests that kept getting "complained about" by lukewarm parishioners, and transferred around as a result...
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #4 on: December 24, 2019, 11:41:03 AM »
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    • Just for starters, Thomistic philosophy teaches that men are the ACTIVE or agent principle, while women are the passive or the receiver.
    Passivity is not primarily a male virtue. Detachment from one's own will, perhaps, in preference to God's. But passivity as such? Men are supposed to be active, doing their part to bring about God's order in the world.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #5 on: December 24, 2019, 11:41:56 AM »
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    • I suspect that Delicacy refers to political delicacy ... as in the types of political double-speak that one hears from SSPX leadership these days.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #6 on: December 24, 2019, 11:49:14 AM »
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    • Obedience has been emphasized since my days in the late 80s / early 90s.  That's because it's the only way to maintain cohesion in a group that is itself in a chronic state of disobedience to the Pope and the hierarchy.  So they emphasize blind obedience to the SSPX leadership while at the same time promoting "faith is greater than obedience" to justify rebellion from Rome.  Bishop Williamson pointed out (even while he was still there) that the SSPX is destined to break up because it relies on an artificial principle of unity ... at one time, the personality of one Archbishop Lefebvre.  This was right after the Archbishop had passed away.  +Williamson predicted that the SSPX would fall apart after his death, since his cult of personality could no longer unify the group, in as much as Catholics can be united only under one Pope and one hierarchy.  I always think back about those lectures to explain why +Williamson didn't constitute a formal group for The Resistance.  He didn't believe that it was appropriate or even viable, considering the Traditional movement just a loose-knit group of Catholics trying to keep the faith.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #7 on: December 24, 2019, 12:04:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 24, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
    +Williamson predicted that the SSPX would fall apart after his death, since his cult of personality could no longer unify the group, in as much as Catholics can be united only under one Pope and one hierarchy.  I always think back about those lectures to explain why +Williamson didn't constitute a formal group for The Resistance.  He didn't believe that it was appropriate or even viable, considering the Traditional movement just a loose-knit group of Catholics trying to keep the faith.

    The Holy Ghost gave him a healthy blessing of Wisdom and Prudence, that's for sure, maybe even some Prophecy. Talk about graces of state! The Holy Ghost dished out graces/blessings to +Williamson from the same heavenly treasure chest that He dished out graces/blessings to one +Marcel Lefebvre years earlier. In fact, they may even be the self-same graces/blessings, that had been returned to the treasure chest after +Lefebvre was done with them after he entered his eternal reward!

    +Williamson is one of the most under-appreciated men of his day, and history will be much kinder to him than his own age is. Better than the fate of Obama or John Paul II, who were adored by their own age, but whom history will excoriate to the Nth degree!
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #8 on: December 24, 2019, 12:23:10 PM »
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    • This has to be the gαyest thing that I have ever heard. 
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #9 on: December 24, 2019, 01:14:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 24, 2019, 11:05:30 AM


    Fr. Le Roux came up with a shorthand for the 3 virtues he wanted every seminarian to practice most of all:

    THE THREE D'S
    ------------------
    Delicacy - ???
    Disinterestedness - "Whatever the superior wants, that's what I want". Complete passivity.
    Dependence

    Of all the virtues the SSPX American seminary could be pushing on its seminarians -- to the extent they even have a shorthand "Remember the 3 D's!" they can remind each other with -- those three "virtues" are some very curious selections for their FUTURE PRIESTS.

    I need not list a bunch of better virtues for a priest: wisdom, piety, knowledge, fortitude, lack of human respect, charity, devotion to Mary, etc. You could easily add to this list.

    Also, the super-virtue for SSPX seminarians today is OBEDIENCE. Therefore, logically, the Superior General (the highest target of obedience) is venerated as a living saint. His mouth always speaks the words of God.

    They even created a sort of "holy card" commemorating certain Bishop Fellay meeting(s) in Rome, etc.
    Delicacy? (totally homo!) Disinterestedness? (indifference.) Dependence (not a manly virtue.)

    Looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck? To say the least certainly the 3D's are not manly, I withhold further comment about the author of the 3 D's because I have never been around Fr. Le Roux.  
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #10 on: December 24, 2019, 01:16:31 PM »
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    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nzJbMjn64&feature=youtu.be&t=248

    Wouldn't you put forward a seminarian with a bit more -- masculine confidence? -- as the face of your promotional material? I understand not all men (seminarians) have equal confidence, testosterone, etc. -- but wouldn't you give SOME thought to the kind of men that will respond to a given video?

    Sometimes God doesn't mean for you to be a video personality, know what I mean? I can relate to that with my unsymmetrical face and my nasal voice (I sound like I have a permanent cold).

    I'm not criticizing this priest necessarily; I am specifically criticizing here the Powers that Be who *purposely* chose him to be the face of the new seminary.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #11 on: December 24, 2019, 01:57:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 24, 2019, 11:15:26 AM
    Yes, I would definitely like to see the "delicacy" defined.


    I suspect that, publicly,  Fr. Le Roux would say "delicacy" would mean to be delicate when mentioning anything that can be perceived controversial or upsetting to your audience (the laity, school kids, non-Catholics, Novous Ordo Catholics). Or in other words, do not say anything that will hurt someone's feelings (especially if they are a benefactor). Instead of "mortal sin", say "big mistake", instead of saying "your dress is to tight" say nothing!   

    However, if the person is a Resistance or other threat to the new branding image, then fire away!
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #12 on: December 24, 2019, 02:28:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 24, 2019, 01:16:31 PM
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8nzJbMjn64&feature=youtu.be&t=248

    Wouldn't you put forward a seminarian with a bit more -- masculine confidence? -- as the face of your promotional material? I understand not all men (seminarians) have equal confidence, testosterone, etc. -- but wouldn't you give SOME thought to the kind of men that will respond to a given video?

    Sometimes God doesn't mean for you to be a video personality, know what I mean? I can relate to that with my unsymmetrical face and my nasal voice (I sound like I have a permanent cold).

    I'm not criticizing this priest necessarily; I am specifically criticizing here the Powers that Be who *purposely* chose him to be the face of the new seminary.
    Wow.  Yeah.
    Ps: That aside, the whole vid is one big BS story to justify escaping the ghost of Bishop Williamson (another symbolic telegraph to Rome), for which they were willing to get in bed with the Jaidhofer Foundation/Max Krah.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #13 on: December 24, 2019, 04:01:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 24, 2019, 12:04:50 PM
    The Holy Ghost gave him a healthy blessing of Wisdom and Prudence, that's for sure, maybe even some Prophecy. Talk about graces of state! The Holy Ghost dished out graces/blessings to +Williamson from the same heavenly treasure chest that He dished out graces/blessings to one +Marcel Lefebvre years earlier. In fact, they may even be the self-same graces/blessings, that had been returned to the treasure chest after +Lefebvre was done with them after he entered his eternal reward!

    +Williamson is one of the most under-appreciated men of his day, and history will be much kinder to him than his own age is. Better than the fate of Obama or John Paul II, who were adored by their own age, but whom history will excoriate to the Nth degree!

    I heard him say these things back in 1990, just a short time after +Lefebvre had passed away, much to the astonishment of the young zealous SSPX seminarians ... who all felt that the SSPX would save the Church.  +Williamson said that opposite, that God would save the Church in due time, and that the SSPX merely served as a lifeboat for His faithful in the meantime.
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    Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
    « Reply #14 on: December 24, 2019, 04:03:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 24, 2019, 01:16:31 PM
    Sometimes God doesn't mean for you to be a video personality, know what I mean? I can relate to that with my unsymmetrical face and my nasal voice (I sound like I have a permanent cold).

    Same here (that I'm not suited to video), which is why I have always avoided various requests to appear on video.  I was clearly not meant for that.  That seminarian in that clip would be well advised to grow some facial hair ... by the way.
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