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Offline B from A

Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2019, 04:45:07 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 24, 2019, 04:01:26 PM
I heard him say these things back in 1990, just a short time after +Lefebvre had passed away, much to the astonishment of the young zealous SSPX seminarians ... who all felt that the SSPX would save the Church.  +Williamson said that opposite, that God would save the Church in due time, and that the SSPX merely served as a lifeboat for His faithful in the meantime.

He also wrote about it at times in his Rector's Letters.  Here's an excerpt from his 1st letter after +ABL died. 

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April 1, 1991:

Will [the SSPX] fail? If it depends on human weakness, yes; if it depends on God's grace, no. And what does the Lord God have in mind? Only He knows. We had fondly thought he would conserve the Archbishop to guide us for many years yet, but the Archbishop was right, it was not to be. We may now fondly think that the Society is meant by God to be His light-bearer until the Church's crisis is over, but the Lord God is not short of alternatives, and He may have in mind still more darkness. It would not be undeserved.


However, it is never to be forgotten that, as St. Augustine said, He abandons nobody who has not first abandoned Him. With or without the great Archbishop, with or without his little Society, no sheep that seeks the Good Shepherd will be forced to lose Him. That is an intrinsic impossibility. "Fear not, little flock, for it hath pleased your Father to give you a kingdom" (Lk XII, 32). 

Another, later example:

 
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July 1, 1998:

Chaos in people's hearts and minds swirls all around us. Sister Lucy of Fatima called it "diabolical disorientation", and the Archbishop's dear little Society of St. Pius X is going to need a miraculous protection if its faith is not also to perish in the universal storm, still rising.  The old-fashioned barometer, reading lower and lower, is beginning to sway on the wall!

Question: can the Society withstand this tornado-force dream? Can Society Catholics, especially priests, withstand the mighty suction of Fiftiesism, that glossy version of Catholicism without the Cross, all the outer trappings of Tradition, but with none of the substance (cf. II Timothy Ill, 5)? The glamorous modern world which seduced so many priests and bishops into Vatican II is more glamorous and modern than ever - what guarantees that the Society will not in turn go the way of all conciliar flesh? ...

Listen to a Society priest now working in the U.S.A.: "Here, either a priest fights like a hero, or he slips into Fiftiesism without even realizing it. It's strange, but that's how it is. A priest must have unusual strength of character and rock-solid convictions to stand fast, or he will slide the way the whole modern environment encourages him to slide. So a polarisation is inevitable in all our parishes. That was not so yesterday, when a comfortable conservatism was still possible, but the days of those good conservative priests are gone.  Today it's all or nothing.  This or that priest may vigorously deny they are liberal, but if they are incapable of serious, steady, almost heroic action, they will give way in practice.  You may even not be liberal, but if you do not do what you should do, you will still act like a liberal."

I have long asked myself whether the Society will last until the Chastisement. If it does, God will have given it a special protection. Time will tell if that is His will.
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Offline Frank

Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2019, 04:51:22 PM »
Mamma mia. That video was disgusting. Enough with the gαy sounding priests within the SSPX.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2019, 05:37:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on December 24, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
Obedience has been emphasized since my days in the late 80s / early 90s.  That's because it's the only way to maintain cohesion in a group that is itself in a chronic state of disobedience to the Pope and the hierarchy.  So they emphasize blind obedience to the SSPX leadership while at the same time promoting "faith is greater than obedience" to justify rebellion from Rome.  Bishop Williamson pointed out (even while he was still there) that the SSPX is destined to break up because it relies on an artificial principle of unity ... at one time, the personality of one Archbishop Lefebvre.  This was right after the Archbishop had passed away.  +Williamson predicted that the SSPX would fall apart after his death, since his cult of personality could no longer unify the group, in as much as Catholics can be united only under one Pope and one hierarchy.  I always think back about those lectures to explain why +Williamson didn't constitute a formal group for The Resistance.  He didn't believe that it was appropriate or even viable, considering the Traditional movement just a loose-knit group of Catholics trying to keep the faith.
This makes me think of the section in the "Letter of the Nine" (1983) dealing with "Loyalty":
Loyalty 

The fundamental reason for the Society's existence is to promote loyalty to the Church and her teachings. Unfortunately, it seems that the distinction between the primary loyalty which we owe to the Church and the subordinate loyalty we give to the Society has become somewhat blurred in the practical order. 

Priests, seminarians, and the faithful associate themselves with the Society to the extent that the Society is loyal to Tradition; they associate with it because they want the traditional Mass, the traditional sacraments and the traditional teachings and practices of the Church. The trust we have received from them is based on this. It is the trust under which we have labored in the United States these past ten years. We have received this trust from them in a true contractual sense. The support we have asked from them and received was a conditional support. The condition was that we be loyal to Tradition and the people would be loyal to us. It is not loyalty to persons or organizations, but loyalty to the Church and her traditions that counts in their eyes. 

We believe it should be the practice of the Society to avoid giving the impression that loyalty to the Society is on the same level as loyalty to the traditions of the Church and the Church itself. We priests cannot propose loyalty to the Society as equal in value to loyalty to the traditional rites and doctrines. Therefore, the primary motive of everything we do is loyalty to the Church. 

To the extent that any organization, including the Society, would do things which conflict with the traditions and immemorial practices of the Church, to that extent we reject these things without hesitation or reservation.

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2019, 05:59:02 PM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on December 24, 2019, 05:37:10 PM
This makes me think of the section in the "Letter of the Nine" (1983) dealing with "Loyalty":
Loyalty

The fundamental reason for the Society's existence is to promote loyalty to the Church and her teachings. Unfortunately, it seems that the distinction between the primary loyalty which we owe to the Church and the subordinate loyalty we give to the Society has become somewhat blurred in the practical order.

Priests, seminarians, and the faithful associate themselves with the Society to the extent that the Society is loyal to Tradition; they associate with it because they want the traditional Mass, the traditional sacraments and the traditional teachings and practices of the Church. The trust we have received from them is based on this. It is the trust under which we have labored in the United States these past ten years. We have received this trust from them in a true contractual sense. The support we have asked from them and received was a conditional support. The condition was that we be loyal to Tradition and the people would be loyal to us. It is not loyalty to persons or organizations, but loyalty to the Church and her traditions that counts in their eyes.

We believe it should be the practice of the Society to avoid giving the impression that loyalty to the Society is on the same level as loyalty to the traditions of the Church and the Church itself. We priests cannot propose loyalty to the Society as equal in value to loyalty to the traditional rites and doctrines. Therefore, the primary motive of everything we do is loyalty to the Church.

To the extent that any organization, including the Society, would do things which conflict with the traditions and immemorial practices of the Church, to that extent we reject these things without hesitation or reservation.

Personally, I think the 9 made some good points, just not their conclusion about the pope.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Neo SSPX Seminary Pushing the 3 D's
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2019, 06:07:59 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 24, 2019, 05:59:02 PM
Personally, I think the 9 made some good points, just not their conclusion about the pope.
Well, I'll be.....
That's more than I would have expected....I'll take it Sean.....Merry Christmas to you!
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