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Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on March 09, 2013, 04:09:21 AM
Good news again for the traditional Catholic resistance! And so, at the same time bad news for the betrayers in Menzingen (Bp Fellay, Fr Pfluger, etc) and Stuttgart (Fr Schmidberger, etc).

First the "big trouble" in the French SSPX district due to the brave letter of 37 priests (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Breaking-news-3-French-Priests-caught-by-Mgr-Fellays-KGB-to-be-deported).

Now the traditional contemplative Carmel St. Joseph with their six Carmelites in the German village Brilon am Wald (https://goo.gl/maps/SVXnA) plans to break their affiliation with the Neo-SSPX.
Stated reason (and I only give the gist of it): The betrayal of the SSPX superiors against the Faith.


When recently Bp Galarreta wanted to visit the Carmel -- because he's looking after such monasteries affiliated with the SSPX --, the Carmelites rebuffed him because as they said, he's not a friend of the Faith anymore.
Then of course the German SSPX district superior Fr Schmidberger wanted to visit the Carmel, but they rebuffed him, too, for the very same reason.
The Carmelites would already have ended their affiliation with the Neo-SSPX, but Fr Schmidberger begged i.e. pestered the sisters to take time for consideration until Eastern. Then the Carmelites will tell their final decision to the Neo-SSPX.



Some background information:

When Archbishop Lefebvre started his society, his biological little sister, Sister Marie-Christiane, founded in Belgium a Carmel affiliated with the SSPX. Later an autonomic subsidiary Carmel was founded on 1st February 1984 in Germany: The mentioned Carmel St. Joseph in Brilon am Wald.

One SSPX priest is always stationed in the Carmel to spend the Holy Sacraments, read retreats to the Carmelites, say the Holy Masses daily (also for the Catholics in the area, so it's actually also a Mass Center). Since one or two years the Bavarian Fr Zaby is doing this, a close friend of the brave Bavarian Fr Hermann Weinzierl (I outlined his resistance story here on CI (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=19506&min=23)).
Fr Zaby is against the sell-out to Newrome and surely played an important role in waking-up the Carmelites. According to my information, if the Carmel is going to split with the Neo-SSPX, also Fr Zaby will leave the SSPX and hold position in and with the Carmel.

The Carmel St. Joseph consisted of seven Carmelite sisters, but due to the clash with Fr Schmidberger one sister whose brother is a priest in the Neo-SSPX, left the Carmel right now and joined the sell-out party. Unfortunately also the mother Carmel in Belgium stays with the betrayers in Menzingen and so is about to cut ties with its own subsidiary Carmel in Germany.

Some readers could think now: "What, there's only six sisters, and this is big news?", but if you know of the importance of a dedicated contemplative Carmel, you'll realise the true dimension of this news (i.e. that hopefully this Carmel will join the resistance).
Archbishop Lefebvre was once asked why his spiritual undertaking was so successful, and he answered: because of the five Carmelites praying for us constantly (he meant a French-speaking Carmel IIRC). That's why the German-speaking resistance priests in and out the Neo-SSPX are thrilled with this news. Also Fr Schmidberger knows the importance of such an "own" Carmel, that's why he boils with rage currently about this potential split.



Please, help us in praying for the Carmelites of St. Joseph, their brave Mother Superior (year 1958) and their brave priest Fr Zaby. Let's pray the Rosary for these Carmelites so that they stay firm to their plan and will officially break affiliation with the betraying Neo-SSPX. They just do what Archbishop Lefebvre suggested to various monasteries in similar situations; see recent Eleison Comments about Dom Thomas Aquinas in Brazil for example.  

St. Joseph, pray for us!



P.S. If a reader knows some corrections or additional informations, please post them. Many tanks!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: chrstnoel1 on March 09, 2013, 05:43:10 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Good news again for the traditional Catholic resistance! And so, at the same time bad news for the betrayers in Menzingen (Bp Fellay, Fr Pfluger, etc) and Stuttgart (Fr Schmidberger, etc).

First the "big trouble" in the French SSPX district due to the brave letter of 37 priests (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Breaking-news-3-French-Priests-caught-by-Mgr-Fellays-KGB-to-be-deported).

Now the traditional contemplative Carmel St. Joseph with their six Carmelites in the German village Brilon am Wald (https://goo.gl/maps/SVXnA) plans to break their affiliation with the Neo-SSPX.
Stated reason (and I only give the gist of it): The betrayal of the SSPX superiors against the Faith.


When recently Bp Galarreta wanted to visit the Carmel -- because he's looking after such monasteries affiliated with the SSPX --, the Carmelites rebuffed him because as they said, he's not a friend of the Faith anymore.
Then of course the German SSPX district superior Fr Schmidberger wanted to visit the Carmel, but they rebuffed him, too, for the very same reason.
The Carmelites would already have ended their affiliation with the Neo-SSPX, but Fr Schmidberger begged i.e. pestered the sisters to take time for consideration until Eastern. Then the Carmelites will tell their final decision to the Neo-SSPX.



Some background information:



When Archbishop Lefebvre started his society, his biological little sister, Sister Marie-Christiane, founded in Belgium a Carmel affiliated with the SSPX. Later an autonomic subsidiary Carmel was founded on 1st February 1984 in Germany: The mentioned Carmel St. Joseph in Brilon am Wald.

One SSPX priest is always stationed in the Carmel to spend the Holy Sacraments, read retreats to the Carmelites, say the Holy Masses daily (also for the Catholics in the area, so it's actually also a Mass Center). Since one or two years the Bavarian Fr Zaby is doing this, a close friend of the brave Bavarian Fr Hermann Weinzierl (I outlined his resistance story here on CI (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=19506&min=23)).
Fr Zaby is against the sell-out to Newrome and surely played an important role in waking-up the Carmelites. According to my information, if the Carmel is going to split with the Neo-SSPX, also Fr Zaby will leave the SSPX and hold position in and with the Carmel.

The Carmel St. Joseph consisted of seven Carmelite sisters, but due to the clash with Fr Schmidberger one sister whose brother is a priest in the Neo-SSPX, left the Carmel right now and joined the sell-out party. Unfortunately also the mother Carmel in Belgium stays with the betrayers in Menzingen and so is about to cut ties with its own subsidiary Carmel in Germany.

Some readers could think now: "What, there's only six sisters, and this is big news?", but if you know of the importance of a dedicated contemplative Carmel, you'll realise the true dimension of this news (i.e. that hopefully this Carmel will join the resistance).
Archbishop Lefebvre was once asked why his spiritual undertaking was so successful, and he answered: because of the five Carmelites praying for us constantly (he meant a French-speaking Carmel IIRC). That's why the German-speaking resistance priests in and out the Neo-SSPX are thrilled with this news. Also Fr Schmidberger knows the importance of such an "own" Carmel, that's why he boils with rage currently about this potential split.



Please, help us in praying for the Carmelites of St. Joseph, their brave Mother Superior (year 1958) and their brave priest Fr Zaby. Let's pray the Rosary for these Carmelites so that they stay firm to their plan and will officially break affiliation with the betraying Neo-SSPX. They just do what Archbishop Lefebvre suggested to various monasteries in similar situations; see recent Eleison Comments about Dom Thomas Aquinas in Brazil for example.  

St. Joseph, pray for us!



P.S. If a reader knows some corrections or additional informations, please post them. Many tanks!


Thank you Ethelred. This is wonderful news for the Resistance. Yes we will pray for these brave Carmelites. :pray:
GOD ALONE.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on March 09, 2013, 07:27:12 AM
Quote from: chrstnoel1
Thank you Ethelred. This is wonderful news for the Resistance. Yes we will pray for these brave Carmelites. :pray:
GOD ALONE.


Blessings from God for that, Chrstnoel1.

Our resistance priests emphasise that the devil is in rage about the possibility of these Carmelites joining the Resistance, so we shall pray a lot, they say.


P.S. Sorry for my many typos in my above post: It's "Easter", not "Eeastern", etc.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: s2srea on March 09, 2013, 09:28:30 AM
 :pray

Wonderful news. May these signs be used for change within society and cause a MASSIVE restructuring of the hierarchy!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: TheRecusant on March 09, 2013, 09:51:52 AM
Yes. we've known about it for a little while. Fr. Schmidberger stole their extern and their chaplain Fr.Zaby is getting kicked out too... Give me a moment to write some more...
And  all because they said they didn't want to be part of a deal with modern Rome.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Machabees on March 09, 2013, 11:21:53 AM
Our Lord did say that those who hear His voice of truth...will get up and follow Him.

Deo gratias...
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Matthew on March 09, 2013, 12:50:41 PM
And what would +Fellay and Fr. Rostand have us believe?

That all "Resistance" members need to shore up their flagging spiritual lives? That they all have severe spiritual issues?

Here is a CARMEL for crying out loud! Contemplatives who spend entire days in silence and meditation. You're telling me they're rebellious, itching for division, etc.? Yeah right!

In the spiritual realm, a Carmel is like a nuclear weapons production facility. Talk about bolstering the Resistance!

Contemplatives and other unseen religious are the wind that fills the sails of the various priests who go out in public and preach, try to convert people, etc. The priests get to reap the results, but who EARNED those results? Cloistered religious.

May God's will be done, and may we all persevere throughout all the ups and downs in this struggle!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Remacle on March 10, 2013, 10:05:56 AM
It is very comforting to have the religious communities of the good side of the fight.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on March 10, 2013, 04:42:34 PM
Quote from: TheRecusant
Yes. we've known about it for a little while. Fr. Schmidberger stole their extern and their chaplain Fr.Zaby is getting kicked out too... Give me a moment to write some more...
And  all because they said they didn't want to be part of a deal with modern Rome.


Salve TheRecusant, did I find what you wrote, here? : www.therecusant.com (http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/24451202-carmelite-nuns-oppose-menzingen-even-more-evidence-of-profound-unity-)


Carmelite Nuns oppose Menzingen - Even more evidence of "Profound Unity"...!

Posted by The Editor on March 9, 2013 at 12:20 PM

The traditional Carmel of St. Joseph, in Brilon Wald, Germany was founded some 30 years ago as a daughter house of the Carmel of the Sacred Heart in Quiévrain, Belgium. Some time ago this German Carmel made clear to Fr. Schmidberger their complete opposition to any agreement with an unconverted modernist Rome. The Carmel has now officially disassociated from the German District of the SSPX.

The actions of the German District have been neither generous nor charitable. Having already taken away their extern, itself a reprehensible act which potentially placed the enclosed sisters in a very precarious position, the German District is now trying to leave them without a chaplain. Please keep these Carmelite nuns in your prayers.


Contact details for the Carmel:

Karmel St. Josef
Korbacher Straße 89
59929 Brilon Wald
Germany

Tel. +49 (0)2961 6445
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Neil Obstat on March 10, 2013, 11:20:39 PM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: chrstnoel1
Thank you Ethelred. This is wonderful news for the Resistance. Yes we will pray for these brave Carmelites. :pray:
GOD ALONE.


Blessings from God for that, Chrstnoel1.

Our resistance priests emphasise that the devil is in rage about the possibility of these Carmelites joining the Resistance, so we shall pray a lot, they say.


P.S. Sorry for my many typos in my above post: It's "Easter", not "Eeastern", etc.



Yes, I noticed them ER.  I was going to say something but  you
seem to have noticed a bit too late -  curiously, this deals out a
kind of urgency to your post.
 Funny how that works.  You were
in TOO BIG OF A HURRY to proof-read it, and now we get the
feeling that this is AN EMERGENCY.  

Fascinating.  But more importantly, it is great news.  


Thanks very much.  Good job.  Even the typos.  They look good!  


Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: ServusSpiritusSancti on March 10, 2013, 11:24:45 PM
Great news! Thanks, Ethelred.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on March 11, 2013, 04:25:11 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Ethelred
[..]
P.S. Sorry for my many typos in my above post: It's "Easter", not "Eeastern", etc.


Yes, I noticed them ER.  I was going to say something but  you
seem to have noticed a bit too late -  curiously, this deals out a
kind of urgency to your post.
 Funny how that works.  You were
in TOO BIG OF A HURRY to proof-read it, and now we get the
feeling that this is AN EMERGENCY.

Well, you're right, it was and still is an emergency. How funny that my typos unintentionally underlined it...

Two good priests from the resistance told me this Carmel story which was new to me. They said that this is an important event for the resistance, but also that the devil is in rage and tries everything to hinder these brave Carmelites from quitting the unfaithful Neo-SSPX on Easter.
I was instructed to triple my rosaries for these Carmelites now because of the Easter "dead-line". Knowing what an unworthy prayer I am, indeed I hurried to call for back-up here on Cathinfo with you many traditional English-speaking Catholics.

By the way, this Carmel's oldest sister is Mother Superior (year 1958 IIRC) and the youngest Carmelite was born in the 1980'ies. So the age-composition is healthy and future-proof.
(In the liberal Neo-SSPX usually the unversed young are superiors and the wise elders are vicars...)


Quote
Fascinating.  But more importantly, it is great news.  

Thanks very much.  Good job.  Even the typos.  They look good!

Thanks for your post, and thanks to all Cathinfo readers who now say the rosary for the Carmelites.

P.S. My favorite typo in the opening article was: "Many tanks!"
P.P.S. My native-language I can write much more correct. You'd love it, Neil, but alas, there was Babylon...
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: chrstnoel1 on March 11, 2013, 06:50:53 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: Ethelred
[..]
P.S. Sorry for my many typos in my above post: It's "Easter", not "Eeastern", etc.


Yes, I noticed them ER.  I was going to say something but  you
seem to have noticed a bit too late -  curiously, this deals out a
kind of urgency to your post.
 Funny how that works.  You were
in TOO BIG OF A HURRY to proof-read it, and now we get the
feeling that this is AN EMERGENCY.

Well, you're right, it was and still is an emergency. How funny that my typos unintentionally underlined it...

Two good priests from the resistance told me this Carmel story which was new to me. They said that this is an important event for the resistance, but also that the devil is in rage and tries everything to hinder these brave Carmelites from quitting the unfaithful Neo-SSPX on Easter.
I was instructed to triple my rosaries for these Carmelites now because of the Easter "dead-line". Knowing what an unworthy prayer I am, indeed I hurried to call for back-up here on Cathinfo with you many traditional English-speaking Catholics.

By the way, this Carmel's oldest sister is Mother Superior (year 1958 IIRC) and the youngest Carmelite was born in the 1980'ies. So the age-composition is healthy and future-proof.
(In the liberal Neo-SSPX usually the unversed young are superiors and the wise elders are vicars...)


Quote
Fascinating.  But more importantly, it is great news.  

Thanks very much.  Good job.  Even the typos.  They look good!

Thanks for your post, and thanks to all Cathinfo readers who now say the rosary for the Carmelites.

P.S. My favorite typo in the opening article was: "Many tanks!"
P.P.S. My native-language I can write much more correct. You'd love it, Neil, but alas, there was Babylon...


Hear! Hear!  :judge:
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Mea Culpa on March 11, 2013, 08:46:36 AM
May God Bless the Carmalites!!

Absolutely fantastic news to fortify the resistance!!!

All the ways of the Lord are mercy and truth, to them that seek after his covenant and his testimonies. Psalms 24:10

(http://img3.etsystatic.com/000/0/5345653/il_fullxfull.231117295.jpg)
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on March 11, 2013, 01:09:00 PM
Does this mean that  this Carmel has lost financial assistance from the SSPX and will suffer? If so, then in my opinion the Resistance needs to provide more than prayers for these faithful contemplatives.

An afterthought:Is this the sister-order to the one started by ABL's bio sister? Who owns their convent? If it is +Fellay & co, they may have to pack up.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: TheRecusant on March 11, 2013, 01:51:12 PM
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Does this mean that  this Carmel has lost financial assistance from the SSPX and will suffer? If so, then in my opinion the Resistance needs to provide more than prayers for these faithful contemplatives.

An afterthought:Is this the sister-order to the one started by ABL's bio sister? Who owns their convent? If it is +Fellay & co, they may have to pack up.


The actual Carmel property belongs to the sisters. But the chaplain's residence belongs to the district. Hence the booting out of the priest who is the chaplain for continuing to look after the sisters is a move designed to leave the sisters with no chaplain, because if he's kicked out of the SSPX then presumably they'll insist that he vacate the premises, even though the purpose of those premises was to support the Carmel...

Not good.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Raphaela on March 11, 2013, 03:43:40 PM
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
An afterthought:Is this the sister-order to the one started by ABL's bio sister?


Yes, it's one of the six Carmels Mother Christiane founded, in 1984.

Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on March 11, 2013, 04:15:31 PM
Quote from: TheRecusant
Not good.

Of course. The devil and his human helpers will do anything to stop or hinder these Carmelites.

According to my imperfect information the important aspect now is to help with our prayers these six Carmelites to hold the fort (i.e. their course) until Easter, when they will deliver their final decision to the Neo-SSPX.
And then after Easter, we'll see about the "rest", like the material things.

The robust Bavarian Fr. Zaby is no priest you mess with. And he sees very clearly. Bishop Williamson appreciates him. I'm sure a solution will be found for the chaplain, once the fort (Carmelites) is secured.

The ex-rocker Fr. Zaby and his robust Bavarian friend Fr. Weinzierl are the types of priests you find at the rear of the sinking Titanic: preaching the Gospel and helping the doomed people to find a good death -- to the last breath. (Actually the two fathers back then on the Titanic were Bavarian monks, too).

Those who stay faithful to Our Lord and do His will, always obtain help in miraculous ways. Let's pray for the faithful clerics.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on March 12, 2013, 06:49:53 AM
Quote from: TheRecusant
www.therecusant.com (http://www.therecusant.com/apps/blog/show/24451202-carmelite-nuns-oppose-menzingen-even-more-evidence-of-profound-unity-)

Carmelite Nuns oppose Menzingen - Even more evidence of "Profound Unity"...!

Posted by The Editor on March 9, 2013 at 12:20 PM

The traditional Carmel of St. Joseph, in Brilon Wald, Germany was founded some 30 years ago as a daughter house of the Carmel of the Sacred Heart in Quiévrain, Belgium. Some time ago this German Carmel made clear to Fr. Schmidberger their complete opposition to any agreement with an unconverted modernist Rome. The Carmel has now officially disassociated from the German District of the SSPX.

I would like to confirm this good information now.

The Carmelites preponed their final decision to the Neo-SSPX, by sending a letter to Bp. Galaretta on the weekend which reached the German SSPX district on Sunday, 10 March 2013. As The-Recusant already posted, in their letter the five Carmelites declare their Carmel's official disassociation from the SSPX now.

So this means: The Neo-SSPX has now officially lost its German Carmel. The Carmelites stay faithful to the traditional Catholic Faith. And the Resistance just got a dedicated Carmel. Te Deum!

(Your (TheRecusant) mentioned measures from Fr. Schmidberger and other SSPX prelates fastened the Carmelites' decision and showed them what to do.)



However, I've to correct my number: The Carmel consisted not of seven but of six Carmelites, and number six was the external Carmelite who left the Carmel and joined Fr. Schmidberger's camp. So there's now five internal Carmelites who hold the fort.
(Always thankful for corrections and additions coming from you fellow Catholics here.)



And last but not least:
Quote from: TheRecusant
The actual Carmel property belongs to the sisters. But the chaplain's residence belongs to the district.

Could you please check with your sources if the chaplain's residence really belongs to the SSPX district? Because I heard that the residence belongs to the Carmel, too. I also heard that the chaplain Fr. Zaby will stay with the Carmel, and that, even if his residence belonged to the SSPX district, he could move anytime into the external sister's residence directly next to the Carmel, which is now available.
 
So it looks like everything flourishes concerning this Carmel and their chaplain?
Deo gratias, and thanks to all persons praying and helping.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: chrstnoel1 on March 12, 2013, 07:07:12 AM
Thank you once again for this wonderful information, Ethelred. Rest assured that our daily rosary and prayers are for Fr. Zaby and the five internal Carmelites.

God is forever in control. GOD alone.
:pray:
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: JMacQ on March 12, 2013, 06:07:21 PM

The SSPX cannot claim jurisdiction over the Carmelites, whose convents are independent. If I understand correctly their original agreement, the priests can only act as chaplains (after all, what can a man know about a cloistered female community and its needs?). They should leave the good Sisters in peace and allow their chaplain to continue until they find a proper replacement for him, instead of using the sacraments to make them change their minds. All this is very upsetting.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Telesphorus on March 12, 2013, 06:09:40 PM
Quote from: JMacQ
The SSPX cannot claim jurisdiction over the Carmelites, whose convents are independent. The priests can only act as chaplains. They should leave the good Sisters in peace and allow their chaplain to continue until they find a proper replacement for him, instead of using the sacraments to make them change their minds. All this is very upsetting.


It is by their extreme intolerance and domineering behavior that their true loyalties become manifest.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: TheRecusant on April 02, 2013, 09:01:07 AM
http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel

Quote

The Carmel of St. Joseph
and
The Society of St. Pius X


A brief presentation of the events of Spring, 2013.


Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 02, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
Quote from: TheRecusant
http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel

Quote

The Carmel of St. Joseph
and
The Society of St. Pius X


A brief presentation of the events of Spring, 2013.



Thanks for this. And you did even translate the new editorial of Fr. Schmidberger where he states his delusional position concerning the Carmel. I'm thankful for you doing so, because I did not have the heart to do this cruel job.

Best part is that one and a half year ago Fr. Schmidberger transfered for disciplinary reasons the faithful Fr. Zaby to Brilon am Wald as the Carmel's chaplain. This is such a remote location.
"The biter will be bitten." In the end the brave Fr. Zaby helped in bringing the faithful Carmel to the resistance, and Fr. Schmidberger now boils with rage (see his distorted editorial).

God moves in mysterious ways.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Mea Culpa on April 02, 2013, 02:08:28 PM
Quoting Fr. Schmidberger (below)......This seems to be a perfect description of Bp. Fellay and what he's actually doing to the SSPX!!!!


"This separation should remind us all of the warnings of the great Apostle Paul: "He that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12). He does not 'say he who stands', but 'he who thinks that he stands',  precisely because many souls believe themselves in safety; they bathe themselves in virtue, while pride and self-righteousness have ensnared their hearts long ago. Stubbornness, self-righteousness, condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice are not the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but characteristics of the adversary of God. It does not matter to him whether he causes the downfall of a soul through its well-known weaknesses, or through its pride of its own virtues. Too often the devil turns into an angel of light and performs his work of seduction sub specie boni – under the disguise of good. If one carries one’s own right too far, for example, the highest injustice can be done."


Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Wessex on April 02, 2013, 04:16:22 PM
In typical fashion the Society is more interested in property than souls and has its eye on the monastery. This is indeed an age when very few are to be trusted and legal docuмents become king. Who would have thought that the career of Fr. Schmidberger should have turned out this way?
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Machabees on April 02, 2013, 10:22:45 PM
Quote from: TheRecusant
http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel

Quote

The Carmel of St. Joseph
and
The Society of St. Pius X


A brief presentation of the events of Spring, 2013.



Thank you TheRecusant for the translation of this and your comments within the link.  It helps very much in the overall context.

Unfortunately, it is again a context of the SSPX leaders gone mad.  There is NOTHING Catholic in their behavior anywhere throughout all of this and within this last fiscal year.  I do not recognize the "Shepherd's Voice" in what they do.  Instead it is an awful treachery and betrayal of the True Faith Archbishop Lefebvre had handed down to them.

One cannot do these awful things to Our Lords Brides.  Yes, I do fear for these leaders in the punishment they will receive for this.  Not even the Fraternity of St. Peters were this treacherous.

As the saying goes: The Higher one is, the harder one falls...

God have Mercy on them.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: JMacQ on April 03, 2013, 02:22:37 PM
The Carmelite Sisters explanation makes perfect sense to me. Ideally, a Traditional priest who is not SSPX should be their chaplain, and to each his own. God bless them and protect them.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: s2srea on April 03, 2013, 02:38:16 PM
I'm ashamed to admit I have not prayed enough for the sisters of the Carmel- May God bless them and Fr. Zaby!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 04, 2013, 08:07:19 AM
Again deo gratias to The-Recusant for his well written and researched article. That's why I would like to copy it here for easier reading by typical forum users who sometimes hesitate to click links.



http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel

The Carmel of St. Joseph and The Society of St. Pius X

A brief presentation of the events of Spring, 2013.

The Carmel of St. Joseph in Brilon-Wald has existed since 2nd February, 1984. It was founded from the Carmel at Quiévrain which itself was founded by the biological sister of Archhbishop Marcel Lefebvre. At the moment the Carmel consists of six professed sisters and a novice who all live in seclusion.


Supplied Authority

In order to be protected from the Modernism of the “conciliar” church, which destroys religious and the religious life, the Carmel at Brilon-Wald, as the mother monastery, entrusted themselves to Archbishop Lefebvre and his Society of St. Pius X for their spiritual care. Archbishop Lefebvre exercised a “supplied authority” over this and other monasteries, whereby he was more a “father, councillor and friend than a juridical authority”, to use the words of the then Superior General of the Society, Fr. Franz Schmidberger in a circular letter to all the allied religious communities on 28th May 1991.

After the death of Abp. Lefebvre this “supplied authority” was given initially to Mgr. Fellay and after his election as Superior General of the Society in 1994 to Mgr. De Galarreta. He exercises this office in the spirit of service, according to Fr. Schmidberger, not as member of the Society of St. Pius X, but as a Catholic bishop, and every religious congregation “was absolutely free to turn towards him or not”. “Neither he nor the Society have the slightest intention of seizing the other communities in any way. It is also important to see in his actions always an extraordinary and not an ordinary jurisdiction, until that day that the things return in God’s Church to the god-given order.” That is what was said in the letter of the Superior General in 1991.


New and strange ways and a necessary decision

Since the year 2000, the Society of St. Pius. X, led by its Superior General Bp. Fellay, struck a new path (which by the way was openly admitted by the First Assistant Father Niklaus Pfluger at a priest meeting of the German district in Stuttgart in September 2011) which was more and more clearly directed at a “canonical regularisation” a “canonical agreement” with conciliar Rome. This increasingly filled the Carmelites of Brilon-Wald with unrest, since they had entrusted themselves to the Society St. Pius X in order to be protected precisely from this conciliar Rome. Should they now be delivered to them by their own protectors?

The turbulent events especially within the Society itself from Autumn 2011 onwards did not help to allay these concerns and to reassure them. In particularly, the Carmel looked towards the relevant responsible Bishop de Galarreta. He initially seemed to give every reason for hope, since he had already spoken clearly in his “Réflexions” on the occasion of a meeting of the superiors of the Society in Albano on the 7th October 2011, and then again most clearly in the joint letter with Bishops Williamson and Tissier de Mallerais to the General Council of the Society in April 2012 against a “canonical agreement”.

After the General Chapter of the SSPX in Summer 2012 with its pitiful “six conditions” for an “honourable surrender”; after the exclusion of Msgr. Williamson initially from the General Chapter and then from the Society, without his brother bishops coming to help him; in particular however after the talk of Bishop de Galarreta in Villepreux  in October 2012, in which he changed from Saul to Paul, meaning from an opponent of an agreement  to its supporter; after all these events nothing was left of their initial hope. One could not have any trust anymore of being protected by the authorities of the SSPX from conciliar Roman modernism.

Final clarity came through reading the booklet by Fr. Michel Lelong about “GREC” entitled “Pour la nécessaire Réconciliation” which openly exposed how long and with which methods some have been working within the Society for a union with conciliar Rome, that is, how much the “SSPX” has already been infected and undermined and how deep the evil was already rooted.

In the winter of 2012/13 the Carmelites of Brilon-Wald therefore came to the conclusion that it would be necessary to terminate the connections with the SSPX in order to remain faithful to the Catholic faith and not to be delivered to conciliar Rome.  When in March 2013 there was the prospect of a visit of Bishop the Galarreta since he happened to be in Germany at that time, they told him on 25th February their decision that they would no longer avail themselves of his “supplied authority” and therefore that his visit was no longer necessary. This step came after intense studies, meditation, prayer and counselling as was their full right, since, according to the writing of the Superior General from 1991 the religious communities were totally free to contact Bishop de Galarreta or not.


Manoeuvre to capture a fortress

The former Superior General and present District Superior from Germany, Fr. Franz Schmidberger, seemed to have completely forgotten his former letter from 1991. For on the same day, 25th February, when he had hardly received the message from Bishop de Galarreta and before he was able to think or even consider  - for he was, as usual, at the retreat house of the Society in the Black Forest preaching a retreat – he sent immediately a fax to the Spiritual of the Carmelites in Brilon-Wald , in which he ordered him to leave the monastery within three days, by the 28th February at 8pm (interestingly, exactly the same moment when Benedict XVI abdicated) and to take his residence for the time being in the District Headquarters in Stuttgart. As justification he mentioned that the Carmelites wanted to separate themselves because of the “alleged liberalism” in the SSPX and they would even refuse to talk to their “ecclesiastical superior” (he probably meant Msgr. de  Galarreta). Well then, the “supplied authority” without proper jurisdiction suddenly turned into “ecclesiastical superior”, even though the First Assistant of the SSPX not so long ago claimed in an interview with full consent of both the German District Superior and the General House that the “SSPX” suffers from a “canonical irregularity”. Irregular clergy can certainly not be “ecclesiastical superiors”...

Since the Chaplain was not even present at Brilon-Wald during the 25 - 28th February, he already could not meet this demand. When he returned the situation had already changed. Firstly, some well-meaning priests did what one would have expected from the District Superior, and persuaded the Carmelite sisters to take a respite prior to a final separation from the Society and to attempt a conversation with Msgr. de Galarreta. Thus, a delay of the decision until Easter, and a visit of the Bishop from 20th -23rd March, was agreed upon.

Secondly, the external sister left the Carmel on 28th February. (An external sister is a Carmelite nun who does not live enclosed and who performs external duties e.g: shopping runs). The external sister from Brilon-Wald had only recently solemnly professed her three religious vows to the Carmel St. Joseph on the Feast of St. Joseph 2012. She, however, did not want to know anything about the happenings in the SSPX and refused to take note of any information. Therefore, she was not by any means ready to follow the step of her community.

Her Mother Superior asked her to wait until Easter and offered her that if she disagreed afterwards with the decision, she would be accommodated in another Carmelite Monastery.  Appropriate steps had already been taken and a Carmel had been found which would have taken the sister in such a case. The external however, did not want to wait and insisted on leaving the monastery immediately. For this purpose she got in touch with her biological brother, who was stationed as priest in the District Headquarters in Stuttgart and who came immediately to take his sister with him.

Between the retreat which finished on the 2nd March and the priest meeting which began on the 4th March, the German District Superior found time to write a letter to the Chaplain of the Carmel in which he summoned him again, this time as a “command in obedience” to leave the Carmel until 7th March and to be at the District Headquarters in Stuttgart by 8pm. This letter was delivered to the Chaplain on 5th March via “registered mail”.

The Reverend Mother Prioress thereupon personally turned towards Fr. Schmidberger and asked him politely to leave the Chaplain at least until Easter at the monastery, otherwise they, especially after the unlawful removal of the external sister, would be unable to believe in the purity of his and hence of the SSPX’s intentions. The answer came by return on 6th March: It is the right of the District Superior to transfer the priests at his will; he bears no responsibility for the escape of the external sister. Furthermore, the removal of the external was necessary for her nerves and moreover he misses greatly the humility of the remaining Carmelites of Brilon-Wald.

If a thief wants to take a city or fortress he takes the trouble first to cut off the supply. Something similar happened here. After the removal of the external sister who was responsible for providing the means of subsistence, now the Chaplain should have been removed and thus the spiritual means of subsistance should have been cut off. Rev. Fr. District Superior attempted very obviously to seize the Carmel at Brilon-Wald, quite contrary to his assertion in 1991 (another possibility of seizing was not given since the property of the Carmel with its buildings, monasteries, chapel and spiritual house was in the possession of the nuns). All his protestations of innocence were to no avail. For the right to move a priest does not include the right to leave a monastery without a spiritual nourishment and inflict in a certain sense an interdict, despite the fact they have been not found guilty of any offense. And the abduction from a nun from her monastery by a priest who is under his own authority and the accommodation of this escaped nun in his own house, is impossible to have happened without his consent, especially since he defended this unlawful procedure.


The inevitable break

The situation was clear for the Carmelites. They informed Mgr. de Galarreta that he did not have to trouble himself anymore. Under such circuмstances collaboration with these people was unthinkable. It was also clear for the Chaplain that he could not follow the command of the District Superior. For nonsensical and unjust commands are not mandatory. The command was nonsensical, as in the short period of less than three days it was impossible for the Spiritual to arrange all his affairs, to pack his things and to organise his move. The command was unjust as it was obviously aimed at depriving the Carmelites of Brilon-Wald from the holy mass and the sacraments.

Indeed, the District Superior promised half-heartedly in his “registered mail” to offer a “substitute” for the Spiritual, but on the “appointed date” 7th March, nothing was to be seen or heard of this “substitute”. At least up until Easter, the spiritual care for the sisters should have been ensured, and even beyond that for a reasonable period in order to give the nuns the opportunity to find a new Chaplain themselves. Since the Carmel was guilty of no offense, but simply made use of its own right there was no reason for any punishment – especially not in view of the innumerable merits which the monastery had acquired for the German district in nearly thirty years.

Naturally, one has to expect that the SSPX spreads all kinds of insults and slanders against the Carmel in Brilon-Wald and at least speaks badly of it, since they cannot conquer it. Secondly, it can be assumed that the Chaplain will be excluded from the SSPX due to “disobedience”. But one has to obey God more than men.  “In Deo laudabo verbum, in Domino laudabo sermonem: in Deo speravi, non timebo quid faciat mihi homo.” (Ps. 55,11).


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Fr. Schmidberger's Editorial about the Carmelites

German District Newsletter, April 2012
http://www.pius.info/images/stories/mitteilungsblatt/2013/mb_2013_4.pdf

Quote from: Fr. Schmidberger
... At this point I have to convey a very painful message: The Carmelites of Brilon-Wald, misled by their Chaplain, have terminated their friendship with us. This monastery was founded on 2nd February 1984 under the patronage of St. Joseph and recently comprised eight nuns. At the end of February they informed Msgr. de Galarreta who is responsible for the religious communities associated with us that due to the liberalism within the SSPX they would terminate their relationship with us. This [liberalism] was a true threat for their Faith. A year and a half long influencing preceded this decision, over which there was not enough accountability. In recent months subversive and slanderous writings apparently circulated, written by priests who are about to leave us or have already left us.  It is obvious that religious women in their seclusion who are only “informed” from this side are not equipped against such an enemy.  Step by step their trust was undermined. In the end they became victims of the father of lies and seduction. And thus we can only say with the suffering Job: "The Lord has given, the Lord has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord."

This separation should remind us all of the warnings of the great Apostle Paul: "He that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12). He does not 'say he who stands', but 'he who thinks that he stands',  precisely because many souls believe themselves in safety; they bathe themselves in virtue, while pride and self-righteousness have ensnared their hearts long ago. Stubbornness, self-righteousness, condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice are not the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but characteristics of the adversary of God. It does not matter to him whether he causes the downfall of a soul through its well-known weaknesses, or through its pride of its own virtues. Too often the devil turns into an angel of light and performs his work of seduction sub specie boni – under the disguise of good. If one carries one’s own right too far, for example, the highest injustice can be done. Not for nothing the old saying said: Summum jus, summa injuria. If you have circuмnavigated the dangers of a wrong obedience and avoided liberalism and modernism, you are far from immune to a sectarian anti-liberalism. Only humility of spirit, and perhaps more so of the heart, protects one against a fall. “Learn from me”, says our blessed Lord, “for I am meek and humble of heart.” (Matthew 11:29).  ...

Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 04, 2013, 08:14:13 AM
And please let's continue our prayers for the five brave Carmelites. For example, the Judaizers in the Neo-SSPX will try to harm them by any account.

Also please pray that the German-speaking SSPX resistance priests (indeed there's a nice number of them) find the means, the courage and the leading cleric to open an independent priest house to shelter them. So that they could look after the Carmelites and faithful laypeople, too.

Deo gratias.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: John Grace on April 09, 2013, 02:42:07 PM
Continued prayers for the Carmelites.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: John Grace on April 09, 2013, 02:50:39 PM
A Google translation from the German

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.ie/
Quote
Even with a very humble beginning in a small building  we are at least 700,000, - EUR be necessary.
We strongly urge you and your donations help to ensure the continued existence of our monastery in Bavaria  or environment can be possible.
For the faith we have thrown into the arms of Divine Providence: "In te, Domine, speravi,  non confundar in aeternum. - In you, O Lord, I hope, I will not be ashamed forever. "

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, the guardian of the faith, pray for us!

Her sisters of Carmel of St. Joseph

Contact: Carmel of St. Joseph, Korbacher Str 89, 59929 Brilon Forest, Tel 02961/6445
Donations: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67, BIC: WELADED1HS


Is anybody in a position to set up PayPal for the Carmel?
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: s2srea on April 09, 2013, 03:26:05 PM
Quote from: John Grace
A Google translation from the German

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.ie/
Quote
Even with a very humble beginning in a small building  we are at least 700,000, - EUR be necessary.
We strongly urge you and your donations help to ensure the continued existence of our monastery in Bavaria  or environment can be possible.
For the faith we have thrown into the arms of Divine Providence: "In te, Domine, speravi,  non confundar in aeternum. - In you, O Lord, I hope, I will not be ashamed forever. "

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, the guardian of the faith, pray for us!

Her sisters of Carmel of St. Joseph

Contact: Carmel of St. Joseph, Korbacher Str 89, 59929 Brilon Forest, Tel 02961/6445
Donations: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67, BIC: WELADED1HS


Is anybody in a position to set up PayPal for the Carmel?


I am not- but if anyone can, please let us know! I would like to get this donation information out asap!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Incredulous on April 09, 2013, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: s2srea
Quote from: John Grace
A Google translation from the German

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.ie/
Quote
Even with a very humble beginning in a small building  we are at least 700,000, - EUR be necessary.
We strongly urge you and your donations help to ensure the continued existence of our monastery in Bavaria  or environment can be possible.
For the faith we have thrown into the arms of Divine Providence: "In te, Domine, speravi,  non confundar in aeternum. - In you, O Lord, I hope, I will not be ashamed forever. "

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, the guardian of the faith, pray for us!

Her sisters of Carmel of St. Joseph

Contact: Carmel of St. Joseph, Korbacher Str 89, 59929 Brilon Forest, Tel 02961/6445
Donations: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67, BIC: WELADED1HS


Is anybody in a position to set up PayPal for the Carmel?


I am not- but if anyone can, please let us know! I would like to get this donation information out asap!





Ditto!
Set it up just like Bp. Williamson's Paypal account.
Very easy to send donations and hide the transactions from the wife (just joking).

Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: s2srea on April 09, 2013, 05:08:30 PM
I wonder if Fr. Pfieffer may assist in this, in the same way his paypal is set up to assist the Santa Cruz monastery in Brazil; where we can send the donations to him, with the not posted to have funds eventually forwarded to the Carmel.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Raphaela on April 09, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
Some more information about the situation of the Carmel:

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.co.uk/

Quote
What about the future of our monastery?

Owing to the loss of benefactors, who do not understand our step, and to the fact that our extern sister has fled from us in haste, we are in a desperate situation. For almost 30 years, the District was not able to assign to us a chaplain who could also exercise a cure of souls. So lacking a community of the faithful who could help us, we must now regularly leave the enclosure in order to ensure our upkeep. About 8 years ago, we informed the then District Superior that we were heading towards this emergency situation, but no measures, in the form of the suitable appointment of a chaplain, were taken to remedy the situation.

Therefore, our intention is to move our Carmel southwards, where we are assured of help. We cannot sell our monastery, as by previous agreement the building returns to the SSPX as soon as it is no longer used as a Carmel. So we need new resources to meet the expense of a new building. Even for a very modest start in a smaller building, we would need at least 700,000 Euros [c. $ 916,000].

We are therefore making a heartfelt and urgent plea for donations, so that our monastery can continue in Bavaria or the nearby area.

For the sake of the Faith, we have thrown ourselves into the arms of Divine Providence. "In te, Domine, speravi, non confundar in aeternum. - In Thee, O Lord, have I hoped, may I never be confounded."

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, protectress of the Faith, pray for us.

Your Sisters of the Carmel of St. Joseph

Address: Karmel St. Josef, Korbacher Str. 89, 59929 Brilon-Wald, Germany. Tel. 02961 / 6445
Account: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70; Kto. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67
BIC: WELADED1HSL


It seems that the problem is that because of the isolation of the building, the Society never organised the convent chapel as a Mass centre or chapel for the faithful as well, so there is no lay support for shopping, errands or general help.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: hugeman on April 09, 2013, 11:35:04 PM
Address: Karmel St. Josef, Korbacher Str. 89, 59929 Brilon-Wald, Germany. Tel. 02961 / 6445
Account: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70; Kto. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67
BIC: WELADED1HSL[/quote]

<Quote>It seems that the problem is that because of the isolation of the building, the Society never organised the convent chapel as a Mass centre or chapel for the faithful as well, so there is no lay support for shopping, errands or general help.[/quote]



A one million dollar fund raising project, the possible move clear across the country to Bavaria,
and the potential of having to support two facilities, are huge moves for a cloistered convent
of Sisters. Plus, there are priests all over who are losing their primary support structure, simply
because they wish to remain faithful to their vows.
     This will be a major issue for the resistance: how to maintain  " loosely knit "
Resistance groups, yet ensure funds are deployed to the best purposes.
      Bp. Williamson, in his recent talk in New York, spoke positively of the
joining to the Resistance by the 37 or so priests in France, and of  potential
additions of German fighters. So, it seems to me that possibly
the good Bishop's "St Marcel Initiative" would be in a better position to act as s clearing
House, of sorts, for these many funding requests: He speaks the languages, knows the terrain, and is stationed in Europe,
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Incredulous on April 10, 2013, 12:23:30 AM
Wow, reading the plight of the good Carmelite Nuns makes me want to punch somebody in the nose!

Bp. Fellay, why did you make such a mess of everything?
You big Swiss bully... putting holy cloistered Nuns out on the street.

What hypocrisy! Just look at your extravagance in building the pompous Disneyland seminary in Virginia ?

60million bucks... for what?   A fancy place to show-off to Cardinal Dolan ?
Why, you're even blowing your chance with Pope Francis, because you're so wasteful?

Resistance folks, let's get that Paypal link going so we can assist the good Nuns wherever we can.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 10, 2013, 02:24:12 AM
Quote from: John Grace
A Google translation from the German

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.ie/


Thanks John, and the direct links is:
http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.com/2013/04/richtigstellung-zum-vorwort-des.html

Quote from: Carmelites
[..]
Your Sisters of Carmel of St. Joseph

Contact:
Carmel St. Joseph,
Korbacher Str. 89
59929 Brilon-Wald

Tel. +49 (0)2961 6445


And again here's their bank account for donations, copied from John's linked original article but with added English clarifications :

- Sparkasse HSL Brilon
- Bank sorting code (German: Bankleitzeit, or BLZ in short) : 41651770
- Account number (German: Kontonummer) : 56267
- International Bank Account Number (IBAN) : DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67
- Bank Identifier Code (BIC): WELADED1HSL


With the IBAN & BIC numbers an international bank wire transfer is usually simple. From within Europe (not only EU but also non-EU Europe) it's actually very easy. Maybe it's also a straightforward thing between USA <-> Europe? Anybody got experiences with IBAN transfers from USA to EU? The resistance clearly misses some global money expert like Max (just kidding).

I don't know of any Paypal account of the Carmelites yet, but heard that some good people including a well known high cleric is going to look after them. In case I get news, I'll post them here.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Wessex on April 10, 2013, 05:04:13 AM
I thought Germany was flush with money while the rest of Europe was starving. It should not be hard to accommodate half a dozen nuns and so much property in Germany is rented. Typical of the Society to own the convent; its obsession with real estate again!

Unlike Anglo-Saxon bloody-mindedness, it seems harder for Germans to go against the status quo. It is a wonder the SSPX there ever got off the ground but I believe it is very liberal.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 10, 2013, 08:43:19 AM
Quote from: Wessex
I thought Germany was flush with money while the rest of Europe was starving.

In the globalists' EU communism, Germany together with a few other Nordic net payers pay for "the rest of Europe". In order to be able to do that however, these net payers have to contract dept from the money masters' banks. Currently Germany's official debt is about three billion Euro (trillion in US-English, as number: 3 000 000 000 000 €) which means the country is de-facto bankrupt.

According to a brand new study from the European Central Bank (http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/bericht-der-ezb-europas-phantom-reichtum/8040940.html), on average the German people are poorer than the people of the so-called poor EU countries including the bailed-out Cyprus. That's pretty sick. The money masters set one European nation against the other.  

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Unlike Anglo-Saxon bloody-mindedness, it seems harder for Germans to go against the status quo.

Well, we Germans really love law & order, and we don't like revolutions, so even a necessary resistance takes some time to get into our minds. In this aspect we're Hobbits and this is true even more for us Austrian-Germans.
But, those who see the necessity, do fight in a Teutonic way, see these brave Carmelites and the brave resistance priests behind them, or the famous Catholic farmer general A.H. (Andreas Hofer) from South Tirol, who successfully opposed Napoleon's hordes for years.

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It is a wonder the SSPX there ever got off the ground

Actually half of Germany (the south and south-west) was in a traditional way Catholic and resisted protestantism very well, and so it was an ideal ground for Archbishop Lefebvre 40 years ago.
In the place of pilgrimage named Altötting in Bavaria, where Fr. Zaby comes from, close to the Austrian border, there's the tomb of general Graf von Tilly. He was one of Germany's main resistance generals against the Northern German and Swedish protestants during the bloody Thirty Years' War (1618-1648).

Maybe together with the brave Carmelites the resistance priests find an appropriate chapel or monastery there.
This could be a good base. According to Alois Irlmaier's famous visions about WW3 and The Three Dark Days, the entire area of Altötting (called Saurüssel) together with other important places of pilgrimages around the world, will be spared in WW3 because Our Lady would protect them. The area of Brilon however is going to be crushed by the invading Red Army hordes in this vision. So we're very glad the brave Sisters intend to relocate to the south. Looks like providence, and maybe some blinded superiors in the SSPX had to play the role of Mephistopheles: „Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft, die stets das Böse will, und stets das Gute schafft.“

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but I believe it is very liberal.

Seeing the small "remnant of the remnant" (that's how Bishop Williamson called the Anglo-Saxon resistance IIRC), I think that on average the German Catholics are as liberal as the Anglo-Saxon or French or whatever ones. It's a global mess which exploded during the last decades, and it will need a global purification. Bishop Williamson (who knows Irlmaier well) and most German resistance priests think it will come within the next few years.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: bowler on April 10, 2013, 08:57:41 AM
Quote from: Raphaela
Some more information about the situation of the Carmel:

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.co.uk/

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What about the future of our monastery?

....

Therefore, our intention is to move our Carmel southwards, where we are assured of help. We cannot sell our monastery, as by previous agreement the building returns to the SSPX as soon as it is no longer used as a Carmel. So we need new resources to meet the expense of a new building. Even for a very modest start in a smaller building, we would need at least 700,000 Euros [c. $ 916,000].

 


..


Did the building always belong to the SSPX?
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Wessex on April 10, 2013, 11:57:59 AM
Quote from: Ethelred
Quote from: Wessex
I thought Germany was flush with money while the rest of Europe was starving.

In the globalists' EU communism, Germany together with a few other Nordic net payers pay for "the rest of Europe". In order to be able to do that however, these net payers have to contract dept from the money masters' banks. Currently Germany's official debt is about three billion Euro (trillion in US-English, as number: 3 000 000 000 000 €) which means the country is de-facto bankrupt.

According to a brand new study from the European Central Bank (http://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/international/bericht-der-ezb-europas-phantom-reichtum/8040940.html), on average the German people are poorer than the people of the so-called poor EU countries including the bailed-out Cyprus. That's pretty sick. The money masters set one European nation against the other.  

Quote
Unlike Anglo-Saxon bloody-mindedness, it seems harder for Germans to go against the status quo.

Well, we Germans really love law & order, and we don't like revolutions, so even a necessary resistance takes some time to get into our minds. In this aspect we're Hobbits and this is true even more for us Austrian-Germans.
But, those who see the necessity, do fight in a Teutonic way, see these brave Carmelites and the brave resistance priests behind them, or the famous Catholic farmer general A.H. (Andreas Hofer) from South Tirol, who successfully opposed Napoleon's hordes for years.

Quote
It is a wonder the SSPX there ever got off the ground

Actually half of Germany (the south and south-west) was in a traditional way Catholic and resisted protestantism very well, and so it was an ideal ground for Archbishop Lefebvre 40 years ago.
In the place of pilgrimage named Altötting in Bavaria, where Fr. Zaby comes from, close to the Austrian border, there's the tomb of general Graf von Tilly. He was one of Germany's main resistance generals against the Northern German and Swedish protestants during the bloody Thirty Years' War (1618-1648).

Maybe together with the brave Carmelites the resistance priests find an appropriate chapel or monastery there.
This could be a good base. According to Alois Irlmaier's famous visions about WW3 and The Three Dark Days, the entire area of Altötting (called Saurüssel) together with other important places of pilgrimages around the world, will be spared in WW3 because Our Lady would protect them. The area of Brilon however is going to be crushed by the invading Red Army hordes in this vision. So we're very glad the brave Sisters intend to relocate to the south. Looks like providence, and maybe some blinded superiors in the SSPX had to play the role of Mephistopheles: „Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft, die stets das Böse will, und stets das Gute schafft.“

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but I believe it is very liberal.

Seeing the small "remnant of the remnant" (that's how Bishop Williamson called the Anglo-Saxon resistance IIRC), I think that on average the German Catholics are as liberal as the Anglo-Saxon or French or whatever ones. It's a global mess which exploded during the last decades, and it will need a global purification. Bishop Williamson (who knows Irlmaier well) and most German resistance priests think it will come within the next few years.




Gosh, Ethelred, a lot there to absorb! You have managed to link Napoleon, German debt, Tyrolean and Bavarian autonomy and the global outlook in a few breaths!

We are constantly reminded in England that the common Euro currency is kept low because of the inclusion of unproductive southern countries but this helps the exporting factories of the north. The welfare stream to the south will continue for as long as you feel responsible. And this will be achieved through currency debasement, raids on savings, expanding taxation and generational debt. Your factories will be working flat out to push against the tide!

The Carmelites should see this as a new opportunity and one that frees themselves of SSPX control.  
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Incredulous on April 10, 2013, 01:29:42 PM
Per Ethelred:

Maybe together with the brave Carmelites the resistance priests find an appropriate chapel or monastery there.

This could be a good base. According to Alois Irlmaier's famous visions about WW3 and The Three Dark Days, the entire area of Altötting (called Saurüssel) together with other important places of pilgrimages around the world, will be spared in WW3 because Our Lady would protect them.

The area of Brilon however is going to be crushed by the invading Red Army hordes in this vision. So we're very glad the brave Sisters intend to relocate to the south. Looks like providence, and maybe some blinded superiors in the SSPX had to play the role of Mephistopheles: „Ich bin ein Teil von jener Kraft, die stets das Böse will, und stets das Gute schafft.“


Good discernment Ethelred.

May all members of the true remnant, Holy religious and faithful,
be properly positioned for the Chasitisement and the following 3-Days of Darkness.

May they come out of their shelters, homes and hovels, singing the praises of the Holy Trinity and honoring the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary!
Entering into the Sixth Age of Holy Mother Church.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Raphaela on April 10, 2013, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: bowler
Did the building always belong to the SSPX?

I don't know how they acquired it, whether it was given to them or the SSPX, or whether the SSPX bought it for them. Sorry, I translated the German rather loosely as "by previous agreement". It says

"es wird laut vertraglicher Vereinbarung an die Priesterbruderschaft zurückfallen"

which means literally "it will return to the Society according to a contractual agreement".  

Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 11, 2013, 02:46:44 AM
Quote from: TheRecusant
Yes. we've known about it for a little while. Fr. Schmidberger stole their extern and their chaplain Fr.Zaby is getting kicked out too... Give me a moment to write some more...
And  all because they said they didn't want to be part of a deal with modern Rome.



Dear Ed.,

You currently carry a 296% approval rating on CI with a 100% support base.  
Interesting, no?  Maybe I shouldn't mention it to keep from attracting the trolls.




It's a wee bit noteworthy, IMHO, that after the hullabaloo +Fellay conducted in
his "consecration of the Society to St. Joseph" (conducted this past March 19th
with MUCH FANFARE and anticipation!) now, SIMULTANEOUSLY,  the Carmel that
carries his very name is breaking away.  



Could this be a signal grace from St. Joseph himself, protector of
Holy Mother Church???????????????????????????????




Quote from: Ethelred


Now the traditional contemplative Carmel St. Joseph with their six Carmelites in the German village Brilon am Wald (https://goo.gl/maps/SVXnA) plans to break their affiliation with the Neo-SSPX...

...
Please, help us in praying for the Carmelites of St. Joseph, their brave Mother Superior (year 1958) and their brave priest Fr Zaby. Let's pray the Rosary for these Carmelites so that they stay firm to their plan and will officially break affiliation with the betraying Neo-SSPX. They just do what Archbishop Lefebvre suggested to various monasteries in similar situations; see recent Eleison Comments about [Dom Tomas de Aquino] in Brazil for example.

St. Joseph, pray for us!



Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 11, 2013, 03:25:21 AM
A very interesting thing I just noticed here.  At the end Fr. Schmidberger
is quoted trying to explain his version of the Carmel's departure.  He makes
reference to "subversive and slanderous writings apparently circulated,
written by priests who are about to leave us or have already left us."


One would have to wonder, "What exactly were those 'subversive and slanderous
writings' anyway?"  And who may these "priests" be -- could Fr. Michel Lelong be
among them, however many "they" are?  Or, maybe he is the ONLY ONE!!

Perhaps they are identified by the words below that I've put in large type?



Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=23448&min=29&num=5)
Quote from: Ethelred
Again deo gratias to The-Recusant for his well written and researched article. That's why I would like to copy it here for easier reading by typical forum users who sometimes hesitate to click links.



http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel

The Carmel of St. Joseph and The Society of St. Pius X

A brief presentation of the events of Spring, 2013.

The Carmel of St. Joseph in Brilon-Wald has existed since 2nd February, 1984. It was founded from the Carmel at Quiévrain which itself was founded by the biological sister of Archhbishop Marcel Lefebvre. At the moment the Carmel consists of six professed sisters and a novice who all live in seclusion.


Supplied Authority

In order to be protected from the Modernism of the “conciliar” church, which destroys religious and the religious life, the Carmel at Brilon-Wald, as the mother monastery, entrusted themselves to Archbishop Lefebvre and his Society of St. Pius X for their spiritual care. Archbishop Lefebvre exercised a “supplied authority” over this and other monasteries, whereby he was more a “father, councillor and friend than a juridical authority”, to use the words of the then Superior General of the Society, Fr. Franz Schmidberger in a circular letter to all the allied religious communities on 28th May 1991.

After the death of Abp. Lefebvre this “supplied authority” was given initially to Mgr. Fellay and after his election as Superior General of the Society in 1994 to Mgr. De Galarreta. He exercises this office in the spirit of service, according to Fr. Schmidberger, not as member of the Society of St. Pius X, but as a Catholic bishop, and every religious congregation “was absolutely free to turn towards him or not”. “Neither he nor the Society have the slightest intention of seizing the other communities in any way. It is also important to see in his actions always an extraordinary and not an ordinary jurisdiction, until that day that the things return in God’s Church to the god-given order.” That is what was said in the letter of the Superior General in 1991.


New and strange ways and a necessary decision

Since the year 2000, the Society of St. Pius. X, led by its Superior General Bp. Fellay, struck a new path (which by the way was openly admitted by the First Assistant Father Niklaus Pfluger at a priest meeting of the German district in Stuttgart in September 2011) which was more and more clearly directed at a “canonical regularisation” a “canonical agreement” with conciliar Rome. This increasingly filled the Carmelites of Brilon-Wald with unrest, since they had entrusted themselves to the Society St. Pius X in order to be protected precisely from this conciliar Rome. Should they now be delivered to them by their own protectors?

The turbulent events especially within the Society itself from Autumn 2011 onwards did not help to allay these concerns and to reassure them. In particularly, the Carmel looked towards the relevant responsible Bishop de Galarreta. He initially seemed to give every reason for hope, since he had already spoken clearly in his “Réflexions” on the occasion of a meeting of the superiors of the Society in Albano on the 7th October 2011, and then again most clearly in the joint letter with Bishops Williamson and Tissier de Mallerais to the General Council of the Society in April 2012 against a “canonical agreement”.

After the General Chapter of the SSPX in Summer 2012 with its pitiful “six conditions” for an “honourable surrender”; after the exclusion of Msgr. Williamson initially from the General Chapter and then from the Society, without his brother bishops coming to help him; in particular however after the talk of Bishop de Galarreta in Villepreux  in October 2012, in which he changed from Saul to Paul, meaning from an opponent of an agreement  to its supporter; after all these events nothing was left of their initial hope. One could not have any trust anymore of being protected by the authorities of the SSPX from conciliar Roman modernism.

Final clarity came through reading the booklet by Fr. Michel Lelong about “GREC” entitled “Pour la nécessaire Réconciliation” which openly exposed how long and with which methods some have been working within the Society for a union with conciliar Rome, that is, how much the “SSPX” has already been infected and undermined and how deep the evil was already rooted.

In the winter of 2012/13 the Carmelites of Brilon-Wald therefore came to the conclusion that it would be necessary to terminate the connections with the SSPX in order to remain faithful to the Catholic faith and not to be delivered to conciliar Rome.  When in March 2013 there was the prospect of a visit of Bishop the Galarreta since he happened to be in Germany at that time, they told him on 25th February their decision that they would no longer avail themselves of his “supplied authority” and therefore that his visit was no longer necessary. This step came after intense studies, meditation, prayer and counselling as was their full right, since, according to the writing of the Superior General from 1991 the religious communities were totally free to contact Bishop de Galarreta or not.


Manoeuvre to capture a fortress

The former Superior General and present District Superior from Germany, Fr. Franz Schmidberger, seemed to have completely forgotten his former letter from 1991. For on the same day, 25th February, when he had hardly received the message from Bishop de Galarreta and before he was able to think or even consider  - for he was, as usual, at the retreat house of the Society in the Black Forest preaching a retreat – he sent immediately a fax to the Spiritual of the Carmelites in Brilon-Wald , in which he ordered him to leave the monastery within three days, by the 28th February at 8pm (interestingly, exactly the same moment when Benedict XVI abdicated) and to take his residence for the time being in the District Headquarters in Stuttgart. As justification he mentioned that the Carmelites wanted to separate themselves because of the “alleged liberalism” in the SSPX and they would even refuse to talk to their “ecclesiastical superior” (he probably meant Msgr. de  Galarreta). Well then, the “supplied authority” without proper jurisdiction suddenly turned into “ecclesiastical superior”, even though the First Assistant of the SSPX not so long ago claimed in an interview with full consent of both the German District Superior and the General House that the “SSPX” suffers from a “canonical irregularity”. Irregular clergy can certainly not be “ecclesiastical superiors”...

Since the Chaplain was not even present at Brilon-Wald during the 25 - 28th February, he already could not meet this demand. When he returned the situation had already changed. Firstly, some well-meaning priests did what one would have expected from the District Superior, and persuaded the Carmelite sisters to take a respite prior to a final separation from the Society and to attempt a conversation with Msgr. de Galarreta. Thus, a delay of the decision until Easter, and a visit of the Bishop from 20th -23rd March, was agreed upon.

Secondly, the external sister left the Carmel on 28th February. (An external sister is a Carmelite nun who does not live enclosed and who performs external duties e.g: shopping runs). The external sister from Brilon-Wald had only recently solemnly professed her three religious vows to the Carmel St. Joseph on the Feast of St. Joseph 2012. She, however, did not want to know anything about the happenings in the SSPX and refused to take note of any information. Therefore, she was not by any means ready to follow the step of her community.

Her Mother Superior asked her to wait until Easter and offered her that if she disagreed afterwards with the decision, she would be accommodated in another Carmelite Monastery.  Appropriate steps had already been taken and a Carmel had been found which would have taken the sister in such a case. The external however, did not want to wait and insisted on leaving the monastery immediately. For this purpose she got in touch with her biological brother, who was stationed as priest in the District Headquarters in Stuttgart and who came immediately to take his sister with him.

Between the retreat which finished on the 2nd March and the priest meeting which began on the 4th March, the German District Superior found time to write a letter to the Chaplain of the Carmel in which he summoned him again, this time as a “command in obedience” to leave the Carmel until 7th March and to be at the District Headquarters in Stuttgart by 8pm. This letter was delivered to the Chaplain on 5th March via “registered mail”.

The Reverend Mother Prioress thereupon personally turned towards Fr. Schmidberger and asked him politely to leave the Chaplain at least until Easter at the monastery, otherwise they, especially after the unlawful removal of the external sister, would be unable to believe in the purity of his and hence of the SSPX’s intentions. The answer came by return on 6th March: It is the right of the District Superior to transfer the priests at his will; he bears no responsibility for the escape of the external sister. Furthermore, the removal of the external was necessary for her nerves and moreover he misses greatly the humility of the remaining Carmelites of Brilon-Wald.

If a thief wants to take a city or fortress he takes the trouble first to cut off the supply. Something similar happened here. After the removal of the external sister who was responsible for providing the means of subsistence, now the Chaplain should have been removed and thus the spiritual means of subsistance should have been cut off. Rev. Fr. District Superior attempted very obviously to seize the Carmel at Brilon-Wald, quite contrary to his assertion in 1991 (another possibility of seizing was not given since the property of the Carmel with its buildings, monasteries, chapel and spiritual house was in the possession of the nuns). All his protestations of innocence were to no avail. For the right to move a priest does not include the right to leave a monastery without a spiritual nourishment and inflict in a certain sense an interdict, despite the fact they have been not found guilty of any offense. And the abduction from a nun from her monastery by a priest who is under his own authority and the accommodation of this escaped nun in his own house, is impossible to have happened without his consent, especially since he defended this unlawful procedure.


The inevitable break

The situation was clear for the Carmelites. They informed Mgr. de Galarreta that he did not have to trouble himself anymore. Under such circuмstances collaboration with these people was unthinkable. It was also clear for the Chaplain that he could not follow the command of the District Superior. For nonsensical and unjust commands are not mandatory. The command was nonsensical, as in the short period of less than three days it was impossible for the Spiritual to arrange all his affairs, to pack his things and to organise his move. The command was unjust as it was obviously aimed at depriving the Carmelites of Brilon-Wald from the holy mass and the sacraments.

Indeed, the District Superior promised half-heartedly in his “registered mail” to offer a “substitute” for the Spiritual, but on the “appointed date” 7th March, nothing was to be seen or heard of this “substitute”. At least up until Easter, the spiritual care for the sisters should have been ensured, and even beyond that for a reasonable period in order to give the nuns the opportunity to find a new Chaplain themselves. Since the Carmel was guilty of no offense, but simply made use of its own right there was no reason for any punishment – especially not in view of the innumerable merits which the monastery had acquired for the German district in nearly thirty years.

Naturally, one has to expect that the SSPX spreads all kinds of insults and slanders against the Carmel in Brilon-Wald and at least speaks badly of it, since they cannot conquer it. Secondly, it can be assumed that the Chaplain will be excluded from the SSPX due to “disobedience”. But one has to obey God more than men.  “In Deo laudabo verbum, in Domino laudabo sermonem: in Deo speravi, non timebo quid faciat mihi homo.” (Ps. 55,11).


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Fr. Schmidberger's Editorial about the Carmelites

German District Newsletter, April 2012
http://www.pius.info/images/stories/mitteilungsblatt/2013/mb_2013_4.pdf

Quote from: Fr. Schmidberger
... At this point I have to convey a very painful message: The Carmelites of Brilon-Wald, misled by their Chaplain, have terminated their friendship with us. This monastery was founded on 2nd February 1984 under the patronage of St. Joseph and recently comprised eight nuns. At the end of February they informed Msgr. de Galarreta who is responsible for the religious communities associated with us that due to the liberalism within the SSPX they would terminate their relationship with us. This [liberalism] was a true threat for their Faith. A year and a half long influencing preceded this decision, over which there was not enough accountability. In recent months subversive and slanderous writings apparently circulated, written by priests who are about to leave us or have already left us.  It is obvious that religious women in their seclusion who are only “informed” from this side are not equipped against such an enemy.  Step by step their trust was undermined. In the end they became victims of the father of lies and seduction. And thus we can only say with the suffering Job: "The Lord has given, the Lord has taken away, blessed be the name of the Lord."

This separation should remind us all of the warnings of the great Apostle Paul: "He that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12). He does not 'say he who stands', but 'he who thinks that he stands',  precisely because many souls believe themselves in safety; they bathe themselves in virtue, while pride and self-righteousness have ensnared their hearts long ago. Stubbornness, self-righteousness, condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice are not the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but characteristics of the adversary of God. It does not matter to him whether he causes the downfall of a soul through its well-known weaknesses, or through its pride of its own virtues. Too often the devil turns into an angel of light and performs his work of seduction sub specie boni – under the disguise of good. If one carries one’s own right too far, for example, the highest injustice can be done. Not for nothing the old saying said: Summum jus, summa injuria. If you have circuмnavigated the dangers of a wrong obedience and avoided liberalism and modernism, you are far from immune to a sectarian anti-liberalism. Only humility of spirit, and perhaps more so of the heart, protects one against a fall. “Learn from me”, says our blessed Lord, “for I am meek and humble of heart.” (Matthew 11:29).  ...




This quaint touch of quoting Scripture to give an artificial backdrop for his
nefarious deviance is rather telling.  How are SSPX priests like Fr. Ringrose
and Bishop Williamson supposed to keep their manners and demeanor in
check with this kind of blatant insult even to Our Lord going on?  


This is edifying.






Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: bowler on April 11, 2013, 06:55:34 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
You currently carry a 296% approval rating on CI with a 100% support base.


From where do you draw these stats?
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 11, 2013, 07:02:45 AM
Quote from: Wessex
The Carmelites should see this as a new opportunity and one that frees themselves of SSPX control.

Absolutely.
The devil constantly tries to harm such devout souls, but for those souls staying loyal to Almighty God, in the end the devil only helps doing God's will (as with Mephisto). And I think we witness this right now with the Carmelites.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 11, 2013, 07:09:28 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
It's a wee bit noteworthy, IMHO, that after the hullabaloo +Fellay conducted in his "consecration of the Society to St. Joseph" (conducted this past March 19th with MUCH FANFARE and anticipation!) now, SIMULTANEOUSLY,  the Carmel that carries his very name is breaking away.  

Could this be a signal grace from St. Joseph himself, protector of Holy Mother Church?

Yes, I think it is a signal. One of several though, but a clear one.

When some time ago I had a conversation with the Carmel's former chaplain who looked after the Carmelites for (I think) 12 years until a few years ago, he underlined several times how dogmatic these Carmelites are (like Archbishop Lefebvre was), and so they would see a potential dogmatic weakness amongst Catholics and societies soon -- and act accordingly. So what these brave Carmelites did and do now seems to be very logical. It's still very delighting but stringent.

In these sick modern times we can easily imagine how pleased God is about the few devout souls (clerics and laypeople) including these Carmelites, because really there are not so many anymore.
And so I'm sure that heaven will take care also of these Carmelites in an eager way, if I may say so. And those people who, for whatever reasons, try to harm such souls -- and you (Neil) named them in your most recent post -- got a mighty opponent.

Let's expect even more rotten fruits to pop up everywhere in and around the Neo-SSPX.
However let's also expect very good fruits coming from those souls who hold up the Faith.


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St. Joseph, pray for us!

Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 11, 2013, 10:03:59 AM
Quote from: bowler
Quote from: Neil Obstat
You currently carry a 296% approval rating on CI with a 100% support base.


From where do you draw these stats?



Look at the data under his username, for example, at the post from whence
I was quoting (it's on page 1 of this thread) ...........


Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=23448&min=0#p4)
Quote from: TheRecusant
Yes. we've known about it for a little while. Fr. Schmidberger stole their extern and
their chaplain Fr.Zaby is getting kicked out too... Give me a moment to write some more...
And  all because they said they didn't want to be part of a deal with modern Rome.


It says:
Reputation: 166
(Likers: 7 / Critics: 0)
Group: Members
Posts: 56
Joined: Dec 7, 2012

Take the Rep. figure of 166 and divide it by the number of posts, 56, and
you get 296% which represents the portion of approval marks out of the
quantity of posts from whence they come.  As for the support base, take
the number of likers, 7, and divide by the sum of likers and critics (7 + 0
= 7), so 7 / 7 = 100% -- if someone has 7 likers and 4 critics, for example,
it would be 7 / 11 = 64% support base.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 11, 2013, 11:54:05 AM
Mea Culpa observes an important and relevant data point in this deplorable
history:  Fr. Schmidberger writes here attempting to bring opprobrium onto
the Carmel - accusing cloistered traditional sisters of having "bathed
themselves in virtue, while pride and self-righteousness have ensnared
their hearts long ago?" -- WHAT??? -- "stubbornness, self-righteousness,
condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice?" -- of being
"an enemy of God?" -- of having had a "downfall" by way of "well-known
weaknesses or pride of its own virtues, and due to "seduction sub specie
boni
– under the disguise of good?" -- of having committed "the highest
injustice?"  ????????


How does he expect anyone to take him seriously????

He should be lucky he doesn't live in the middle ages, when you could get
your tongue cut out for talking like that about holy cloistered nuns!!



Post (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=23448&min=20#p4)
Quote from: Mea Culpa
Quoting Fr. Schmidberger (below)......This seems to be a perfect description of Bp. Fellay and what he's actually doing to the SSPX!!!!


"This separation should remind us all of the warnings of the great Apostle Paul: "He that thinketh himself to stand, let him take heed lest he fall." (1 Cor 10:12). He does not 'say he who stands', but 'he who thinks that he stands',  precisely because many souls believe themselves in safety; they bathe themselves in virtue, while pride and self-righteousness have ensnared their hearts long ago. Stubbornness, self-righteousness, condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice are not the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but characteristics of the adversary of God. It does not matter to him whether he causes the downfall of a soul through its well-known weaknesses, or through its pride of its own virtues. Too often the devil turns into an angel of light and performs his work of seduction sub specie boni – under the disguise of good. If one carries one’s own right too far, for example, the highest injustice can be done."




I'd like to point out that the first time I read this the last paragraph made me
sick and I couldn't think about it.  So thank you, Mea Culpa for bringing it to
my attention with your large type, italics and bold post.  Otherwise I would
have missed it. It was THAT BAD.

One can only wonder - here he is attempting to besmirch the reputation of a
cloister of nuns (shudder!) while his words only serve to exemplify and well
describe the very machinations of his own and those of his boss, +Fellay --
the Menzingen-denizen rap sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


From the article on p. 6 (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=23448&min=25#p4):

Secondly, the external sister left the Carmel on 28th February. (An external sister is a Carmelite nun who does not live enclosed and who performs external duties e.g: shopping runs). The external sister from Brilon-Wald had only recently solemnly professed her three religious vows to the Carmel St. Joseph on the Feast of St. Joseph 2012. She, however, did not want to know anything about the happenings in the SSPX and refused to take note of any information. Therefore, she was not by any means ready to follow the step of her community.




Here we find out what happens to someone when they hide their head in the
sand like an ostrich.  The external sister "refused to take note of any
information."

How many are there about town doing just this.  "Consider the source" one
prominent Jew used to say.  When you know who it is that wrote something,
then you can know when to ignore it, basically.  Maybe they're "nαzι."  Maybe
they're "anti-semitic."  Maybe they're part of the "resistance movement" --
shudder at the thought!

How terrible -- to be part of the "resistance movement!!"  

This is an abiding theme that needs its own thread................................




Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: nipr on April 11, 2013, 02:32:48 PM
Regarding this being a signal grace from St. Joseph, St. Teresa of Avila (reformer of the Carmelites) had great devotion to him and told her Sisters to always go to him with their needs.  And I also have no doubt that St. Teresa herself is still watching over her Order (the Carmelites) from Heaven.  She cared greatly about the loss of souls and glory denied God by such loss and I dare say I don't think even death would stop her as long as God is being offended and souls lost.  In her writings she tells her nuns to pray and do penance for priests and theologians that they may not be deceived and remain holy and true to the Church.  (At that time Luther was coming on the scene.)  

I think this decision by these Carmelites carries more weight than is readily apparent, especially to those not familiar with the Order.  
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: TheRecusant on April 18, 2013, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: John Grace
A Google translation from the German

http://mitderimmaculata.blogspot.ie/
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Even with a very humble beginning in a small building  we are at least 700,000, - EUR be necessary.
We strongly urge you and your donations help to ensure the continued existence of our monastery in Bavaria  or environment can be possible.
For the faith we have thrown into the arms of Divine Providence: "In te, Domine, speravi,  non confundar in aeternum. - In you, O Lord, I hope, I will not be ashamed forever. "

Our Lady of Mount Carmel, the guardian of the faith, pray for us!

Her sisters of Carmel of St. Joseph

Contact: Carmel of St. Joseph, Korbacher Str 89, 59929 Brilon Forest, Tel 02961/6445
Donations: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67, BIC: WELADED1HS


Is anybody in a position to set up PayPal for the Carmel?



There is a properly done translation now available on our website here: http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel underneath the text of Fr. Schmidberger's disgraceful editorial.

Please read the full reply.

And please everyone, don't forget the Sisters. It was big news last month: human nature tends to forget important things very quickly, especially in this modern era. The brave sisters are in urgent need of financial support. There surely must be someone in the US who is able to help them out in some way, or who knows someone who can? And even if some of the members here are not extremely wealthy, a small donation would go some way to helping them, if several people were to take that step.

Let's not forget that a Carmel is an atomic bomb in the spiritual armament. One of the first thigns Archbishop Lefebvre did when he was appointed Bishop of Dakar was to instal a Carmel in his diocese to pray for the missions and for the diocese. And he attributed all the conversions, all the growth and success stories in his diocese to the prayers of that one small Carmel.

Almighty God has given a very valauble gift to the Resistance. Let us prove ourselves worthy of it, lest it be taken away from us again.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: B from A on April 18, 2013, 03:41:07 PM
Quote from: TheRecusant
There is a properly done translation now available on our website here: http://www.therecusant.com/brilonwaldcarmel underneath the text of Fr. Schmidberger's disgraceful editorial.

Please read the full reply.


I just logged on to post that.

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Correction of the editorial in the
Mitteilungsblatt (German district newsletter)
of April, 2013
The announcement of the separation of the Carmel St. Joseph from the Society St. Pius X in the April Mitteilungsblatt requires due to its wrong claims some corrections which we want to submit herewith.

    Claim: The Carmelites of Brilon-Wald were misled by their chaplain (...) A period of one and a half years of influencing preceded this move.

    Correction:  There was no influencing, however, sound catechesis, in the form and content similar to the instructions we were commonly used to receive 15 years ago from the Society St. Pius X. Behind this background it was inevitable that the current deviations of the Society St. Pius X from sound doctrine became obvious. Our practical conclusion, the step to separate ourselves from the Society, was not discussed with our Chaplain, he was merely informed of it, excluding the practical question whether he was to go and stay with us in this case.


    Claim:   We were religious nuns in seclusion who are only “informed” from one side.

    Correction: Up until March 2013 we received the Mitteilungsblatt and the Kirchliche Umschau and therefore we were familiar with the official statements of the Society.


    Claim:  In the last months, subversive and slanderous writings were apparently circulating in the monastery. (...)

    Correction:  The main object of our studies were in recent months:
    Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre: Sermons, talks and books (especiall: “They have uncrowned Him”)
    Don Félix Sardá y Salvany: "Liberalism is sin" (recommended by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre)
    Father Michel Lelong: "Pour la nécessaire réconciliation - Le Groupe de Reflexion Entre Catholiques (GREC)" (Report of a priest of the official church of the secret talks between the SSPX with Rome for 15 years)
    To complement the one-sided reporting of the Mitteilungsblatt we used (without the mediation of our Chaplain) the writings of the SSPX- Resistance. These are flatly condemned by the SSPX as subversive.


    Claim: Step by step their (i.e.: our) trust was undermined, ie by said subversion.

    Correction:  Our trust was undermined by the Society itself. The contradiction and deviation from the clear line of the Archbishop of which abundant statements can be found, were irrefutable docuмented by the Resistance. That the Mitteilungsblatt did not even want to publish the letter of the three bishops Tissier de Mallerais, de Galarreta and Williamson to the General Council in April 2012 as well as the response of the General Council ( 14.04.2012) , corresponds certainly not with truthful reporting. On the side of the Resistance we meet an objective way of arguing, whereas it is mere subjective arguing on the side of the SSPX.


    Claim: Without literal reference but from its context unambiguously applied to us we are subject to: stubbornness,  self-righteousness, condescension, criticism, false dialectic, mockery and malice .

    Correction:  A docuмentation of our exchange of letters with Bishop de Galarreta and Rev. Fr. Schmidberger which was kept from our side as short and polite as possible would completely relieve us in this regard. We forgo a publication in order not to unnecessarily put personalities of the SSPX in the light of their own allegations.



    Proof of liberalism in the Society

    That liberalism has entered the Society can be demonstrated by many statements of Bishop Fellay and other well-known representatives of the Society which can be read in their official statements or more clearly compiled on the website of the resistance. The willingness, indeed the pursuit of a practical agreement with still a modernist, conciliar Rome, is the most telling and alarming proof. As complicity in liberalism  Don Félix Sardá y Salvany mentions: “Complicity have the fathers, confessors, spiritual directors, directors of institutes,  professors and teachers, when they if asked about such things either remain silent or simply not explain where they are obliged to instruct the conscience of their subordinates. “(Chapter 17, No. 6) In Sarto-Verlag (publishing company of the German SSPX) dubious books are distributed. In the Mitteilungsblatt and the Kirchlichen Umschau appear constantly disputable articles by conservative  representatives of the official church without being corrected.



    Are we sedevacantists?

    No, we are not.  A decision on whether the dubious popes since the Council were ie. are legitimate popes or not cannot be in any way incuмbent on us. Therefore, we pray for the pope, without however being able to submit to his still modernist authority.



    Our canonical situation

    According to the letter of the then Superior General of the SSPX, Rev. Fr. Schmidberger, to the monasteries of tradition on 28.05. 1991, the situation for all monasteries associated with the SSPX is as follows: The SSPX itself has no power of jurisdiction over the religious communities. The bishop in charge of the religious communities executes his office not as a member of the SSPX but simply as a Catholic bishop by virtue of an extraordinary jurisdiction which arises as the communities call on him due to the state of emergency. The communities are completely free to do so. We have therefore forwent in freedom due to the above mentioned liberalism to make use of Msgr. de Galarreta’s supplied authority. In its place we are in contact with Msgr. Richard Williamson.



    Conclusion

    The quest for a rational assessment of the situation of the SSPX, enlightened by faith, has suggested to us after much prayer the following decision: For the love of truth, of the Church and the SSPX as the from God blessed work of the Archbishop, we see it as our duty, to withdraw from the dangerous influence of liberalism which has become apparent in the latter. The life of contemplative sisters has as its goal the contemplation of truth and the union with God, who is truth itself. Half-truths and compromises can impossibly be means to reach this goal. In order to work for the triumph of our Holy Church through the triumpf of the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady , to remain faithful to the mission of the Archbishop  and to obtain for us and for many souls the highest good, the union with God, we see ourselves forced to confess and protect our faith by distancing ourselves from the Society. We will return with pleasure, as soon as it returns to the line of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.



    What about the future of the monastery?

    Due to the loss of benefactors who cannot understand our step and also due to fact that our external sister left us hastily, we are now in a distressed situation. For over 30 years the district was unable to provide us with a chaplain who could have been able to operate pastorally. Due to a lack of faithful who could help us, we now have to leave our cloister regularly in order to ensure for our livelihood. That we were heading towards this precarious situation was already communicated eight years ago to the then District Superior, without however, appointing a house-chaplain who could fill the empty post. Therefore, we envisage to relocate our Carmel to the south where help is assured. Since our monastery cannot be sold – it reverts back to the SSPX as soon as it is no longer used as a Carmel – we need new financial means to rebuild. Even with a very humble beginning with a smaller building at least 700,000 Euro are necessary. We urgently ask you for your donations to help ensure that the continuation of our monastery in Bavaria or surroundings can be guaranteed. For the faith we have thrown ourselves in the arms of Divine Providence: “ In te, Domine, speravi – non confundar in aeternum  - In you my Lord I hope – I shall not be confounded."

    Our Lady of Mount Carmel, Guardian of the Faith, pray for us!

    Sisters of the Carmel St. Joseph
     

Contact: Carmel of St. Joseph, Korbacher Str 89, 59929 Brilon Wald, Germany. Tel 02961/6445

Donations: Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67, BIC: WELADED1HSL

Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: SeanGovan on April 19, 2013, 01:33:06 PM
Maybe in my haste I overlooked how to donate to these Carmelites, but I'm still not sure how to do it. Can someone lease reply with the easiest way to support them? If I sent them an American check, that probably wouldn't be of much help, would it?

Maybe one of the Germans on the forum could set up a Paypal account for them?

God bless the Resistance Carmelites!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: TheRecusant on April 19, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
You can either send a cheque (or cash?) to their postal address:
Karmel St. Joseph,
Korbacher Str 89,
59929 Brilon Wald,
Germany



...or you can make a bank transfer to the following account:
Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267

For an amount of any real size between countries you might need the BIC and IBAN codes.
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67
BIC: WELADED1HSL



Which method works out as better value for what size being transferred, I don't know. For a small amount it might be better to just put a cheque in the post. But then of course they'll have to pay currency exchange.

You might also want to ask someone in your bank, to be sure.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Incredulous on April 19, 2013, 07:24:22 PM
Quote from: TheRecusant
You can either send a cheque (or cash?) to their postal address:
Karmel St. Joseph,
Korbacher Str 89,
59929 Brilon Wald,
Germany



...or you can make a bank transfer to the following account:
Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267

For an amount of any real size between countries you might need the BIC and IBAN codes.
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67
BIC: WELADED1HSL



Which method works out as better value for what size being transferred, I don't know. For a small amount it might be better to just put a cheque in the post. But then of course they'll have to pay currency exchange.

You might also want to ask someone in your bank, to be sure.



If we send a cheque by courier mail, we'd need their phone number and a contact name.  

Is "Mother Superior" correct for the contact person?

Thanks!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Ethelred on April 20, 2013, 02:21:46 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
Quote from: TheRecusant
You can either send a cheque (or cash?) to their postal address:
Karmel St. Joseph,
Korbacher Str. 89,
59929 Brilon Wald,
Germany


...or you can make a bank transfer to the following account:
Sparkasse HSL Brilon, BLZ 416 517 70, Account No. 56 267

For an amount of any real size between countries you might need the BIC and IBAN codes.
IBAN: DE58 4165 1770 0000 0562 67
BIC: WELADED1HSL


Which method works out as better value for what size being transferred, I don't know. For a small amount it might be better to just put a cheque in the post. But then of course they'll have to pay currency exchange.

You might also want to ask someone in your bank, to be sure.


If we send a cheque by courier mail, we'd need their phone number and a contact name.  

Is "Mother Superior" correct for the contact person?

Should do, but to be save, you could use her monastic name (religious name), which is :
Schwester Maria-Theonilla

(Schwester = Sister in German, so in English it is: Sister Maria-Theonilla)


The Carmel's phone number is: +49 (0)2961 6445

The "(0)" zero is only needed if called from within Germany.
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Incredulous on April 20, 2013, 10:28:55 PM
You be da man Ethelred  :wink:

Domo arigato gazaimasu and danke too!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Neil Obstat on April 21, 2013, 05:04:59 AM
Quote from: Incredulous
You be da man Ethelred  :wink:

Domo arigato gazaimasu and danke too!


 
Gesundheit to you, too.  Konnichiwa!  Sayonara!


Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Raphaela on April 21, 2013, 02:37:22 PM
Quote from: Johannes
Maybe in my haste I overlooked how to donate to these Carmelites, but I'm still not sure how to do it. Can someone lease reply with the easiest way to support them? If I sent them an American check, that probably wouldn't be of much help, would it?

Maybe one of the Germans on the forum could set up a Paypal account for them?


A Paypal account would be a very good idea.

Lacking that, I certainly wouldn't send a check in US$, as they would have to pay at least $25 in fees to convert it. The best way, unless it's a large sum, is simply to send cash, either euros or dollars. If I send donations to the US from England, I change the money into dollar bills here and send them in a letter, or in several envelopes if it's a larger sum. They always get there!
Title: Neo-SSPX about to lose its German Carmel
Post by: Wessex on April 22, 2013, 06:50:36 AM
Does that mean the convent would refuse money from sedevecantists? I also ask that question of any initiatives within the 'loose association'.

A better question would be whether it would be illogical for SVs to contribute, although so much income must have come from them to support the SSPX in the good old days. I await some interesting replies.  :scratchchin: