Click on the Telegraph article below assessing Bergoglio's recent concern for 'the poor'. The rag is owned by two brothers who are off-shored on an island they own off France and who are very much part of the 1%. I have included it in the resistance slot because Menzingen's endeavours to be part of the neo-con world which then included Ratzinger's conservative conciliarism has left it high and dry in the face of Bergoglio's naked ideology. Unless Menzingen is prepared to give all its millions 'to the poor' as a materialistic gesture, the only language Bergoglio knows, the door to Rome may be shut for some time.

We frequently say that the political system in the West is a partnership between raw capitalism and Marxist social ideology. Instead of a Soviet-style elite at the top, we have the richest 1% protected by huge bureaucracies that are allowed to foist social policy on the dumbed-down masses. This can only be done with the acquiescence of the middle-classes and they have willingly exchanged old conservative values for new ones that extol the rewards of exploitation and deregulation. If this partnership between capitalism and socialism is coming to an end because of the rise of Asia and the impoverishment of the middle-classes, then the new Vatican regime may be backing the right horse again and turning away from an old unpopular formula. Of course, we are talking about the conciliar church here which has opted to follow trends and be relevant.

It will interesting to see how this clash of vested interests turns out ....... or whether it is just another trick devised by the elites to fool us all once again.



Bergolgo's Liberation Theology    

It is unbelievable that conservatives and even the SSPX consider Ratzinger  "a conservative". It was he who gave us Archbishop Muller and Francis. Can they be that blind? or are they just liberals?

Since the election of Francis the Vatican Insider (mostly) has had many articles on the triumph of Liberation Theology. Surely, enough to warn anyone simply confused. Now, they (the Roman apostates) are about to turn it into "official doctrine". When are they going to wake up? It's about time the "conservatives"(who conserve nothing)  , including +Fellay, tell Rome: Go to Hell if you want, we are going to keep the faith and save our own souls and as many others as we can. We have wasted enough time.

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

It is unbelievable that conservatives and even the SSPX consider Ratzinger  "a conservative". It was he who gave us Archbishop Muller and Francis. Can they be that blind? or are they just liberals?

Since the election of Francis the Vatican Insider (mostly) has had many articles on the triumph of Liberation Theology. Surely, enough to warn anyone simply confused. Now, they (the Roman apostates) are about to turn it into "official doctrine". When are they going to wake up? It's about time the "conservatives"(who conserve nothing)  , including +Fellay, tell Rome: Go to Hell if you want, we are going to keep the faith and save our own souls and as many others as we can. We have wasted enough time.

Christian traditionalism is regarded as being beyond the pale and so Ratzinger's conservative lapses would appear to be very suspect by the Bergoglio fan club. Menzingen would pick up on these lapses and cry: "Hallelujah, the Church is being restored!" ..... and Bp. Fellay would call on hs tailor for a new fitting.

Perhaps it was a question of time before liberation theology was given a comfortable niche inside the Vatican. We never know but it may be keeping company with reconstituted Lefebvrism one day when Rome gets even more accommodating. But not in Bergoglio's time; he has a revolution to advance!

Perhaps Bergoglio is intentionally directed to go overboard so that his successor can earn conservative street cred by pulling back from the "excesses." This would facilitate absorption of an SSPX that has had a few more years to soften up.

Quote from: Columba

Quote from: Wessex

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

It is unbelievable that conservatives and even the SSPX consider Ratzinger  "a conservative". It was he who gave us Archbishop Muller and Francis. Can they be that blind? or are they just liberals?

Since the election of Francis the Vatican Insider (mostly) has had many articles on the triumph of Liberation Theology. Surely, enough to warn anyone simply confused. Now, they (the Roman apostates) are about to turn it into "official doctrine". When are they going to wake up? It's about time the "conservatives"(who conserve nothing)  , including +Fellay, tell Rome: Go to Hell if you want, we are going to keep the faith and save our own souls and as many others as we can. We have wasted enough time.

Christian traditionalism is regarded as being beyond the pale and so Ratzinger's conservative lapses would appear to be very suspect by the Bergoglio fan club. Menzingen would pick up on these lapses and cry: "Hallelujah, the Church is being restored!" ..... and Bp. Fellay would call on hs tailor for a new fitting.

Perhaps it was a question of time before liberation theology was given a comfortable niche inside the Vatican. We never know but it may be keeping company with reconstituted Lefebvrism one day when Rome gets even more accommodating. But not in Bergoglio's time; he has a revolution to advance!

Perhaps Bergoglio is intentionally directed to go overboard so that his successor can earn conservative street cred by pulling back from the "excesses." This would facilitate absorption of an SSPX that has had a few more years to soften up.

I think he is the real thing; a child of two revolutions! While he concentrates on and gives spiritual gloss to his pet economic theories, his predecessors remained in the world of philosophy and imposed their new ideas on the Church. Bergoglio is less inclined to tolerate the religious and liturgical practices of an age he disdains. The new church will settle down quite well with him in charge. There is definitely no joy for trads here; they must rely on their own resources and stop all this wishful-thinking.  

Yes, "The new church will settle down quite well with him in charge" but...with approval of "pope emeritus".

I have read articles about BXVI being "a transitional pope" on the Vatican Insider (easy search). Transitional to what? To the "end of the old Church and the beginning of the new" as was stated by BXVI on Dec. 2012. It was known from the very beginning that his goal was to "bring traditionalists back to the Church" (namely, the SSPX). At that time, John Vennari warned that BXVI had the potential of fracturing the traditional movement when he wasted no time changing the Good Friday Prayer for the conversion of the Jєωs and Summorum Pontificuм was nothing but a trap to get + Fellay into the "Hermeneutics of Continuity". I have published previously an article plotting how to get the SSPX to fall for Summorum Pontificuм which appeared just nine months before its release.

It was BXVI who approved "The Aparecida Docuмent" which is the footprint of Francis' pontificate. BXVI was present at the CELAM Conference in Brazil were the Docuмent was created by the South American Liberation Theology Jesuits, among them: Bergoglio.

The expert on this "Aparecida Docuмent" is Cardinal Marc Ouellet, a missionary in S. America for many years. He was one of the papal contenders and in frequent private audiences with BXVI and now Francis. Cardinal Ouellet translated the "Aparecida Docuмent" to Italian for all the priests of the Diocese of Rome a few months ago.

The "New Church" stated by BXVI is "The New Evangelization" or "Evangelical Catholicism" which has no use or room for proselytism and which has wreaked havoc in South America where it has been experimented since VII. BXVI was present at the CELAM Conference shortly after his election and gave the opening speech and finally approved the "Aparecida Docuмent" within days of the release of Summorum Pontificuм in 2007. He knew full well the direction they were going but Summorum Pontificuм would ensure (they hoped) the SSPX's "reintegration".

It was BXVI who approved the Neocatechumenal Way (called it "a gift of the Holy Spirit") and other "Ecclesial Realities" such us Communion and Liberation which he is very tied to as was JPII. Women from this group are the ones who have cared for BXVI since his election and continue to care for him in his "retirement".

At the funeral of the founder of Communion & Liberation, Fr. Giussani, Cardinal Ratzinger stated: "Fr. Giussani...understood that Christianity is not an intellectual system, a packet of dogmas, a moralism, Christianity is rather an encounter, a love story; it is an event".

As Catholics in a time of "general apostasy", we have to be "wise as serpents and simple as doves". We are left to save our own souls because our pastors and even traditional bishops are not doing their duty watching and praying. Praying alone is not enough. +Fellay and conservatives have been obstinate in seeing BXVI as a conservative and because of it, BXVI succeeded in fracturing the SSPX. BXVI is a Modernist. They will have to find out the hard way.
 

Pope Francis has not been praching Marxism. He has been praching against the vice of avarice, one of the seven deadly sins.

What's he preached about an unnatural vice?
Isn't Lust one of the seven deadly sins?  What's he said about that?

He has said that sins against chastity are still sins.

looking at Bergoglio's history it is hard to imagine any interest in a troublesome Swiss-based group of 'ultras' when he has charge of over a billion souls who he likes to view as starving peasants.

If the devil is in charge, then Bergoglio's personal interests do not determine strategy. Traditionalists are the sole living inheritors to the greatest treasures of the Church and the SSPX still contains a great many of them. Bergoglio is now causing such great disgust that a conservative-seeming successor would come as a great emotional relief to naive trads. In this vulnerable state, the naive would be inclined to let down their guard and follow +Fellay into the conciliar structure.

Quote from: Wessex

Quote from: Columba

Quote from: Wessex

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

It is unbelievable that conservatives and even the SSPX consider Ratzinger  "a conservative". It was he who gave us Archbishop Muller and Francis. Can they be that blind? or are they just liberals?

Since the election of Francis the Vatican Insider (mostly) has had many articles on the triumph of Liberation Theology. Surely, enough to warn anyone simply confused. Now, they (the Roman apostates) are about to turn it into "official doctrine". When are they going to wake up? It's about time the "conservatives"(who conserve nothing)  , including +Fellay, tell Rome: Go to Hell if you want, we are going to keep the faith and save our own souls and as many others as we can. We have wasted enough time.

Christian traditionalism is regarded as being beyond the pale and so Ratzinger's conservative lapses would appear to be very suspect by the Bergoglio fan club. Menzingen would pick up on these lapses and cry: "Hallelujah, the Church is being restored!" ..... and Bp. Fellay would call on hs tailor for a new fitting.

Perhaps it was a question of time before liberation theology was given a comfortable niche inside the Vatican. We never know but it may be keeping company with reconstituted Lefebvrism one day when Rome gets even more accommodating. But not in Bergoglio's time; he has a revolution to advance!

Perhaps Bergoglio is intentionally directed to go overboard so that his successor can earn conservative street cred by pulling back from the "excesses." This would facilitate absorption of an SSPX that has had a few more years to soften up.

I think he is the real thing; a child of two revolutions! While he concentrates on and gives spiritual gloss to his pet economic theories, his predecessors remained in the world of philosophy and imposed their new ideas on the Church. Bergoglio is less inclined to tolerate the religious and liturgical practices of an age he disdains. The new church will settle down quite well with him in charge. There is definitely no joy for trads here; they must rely on their own resources and stop all this wishful-thinking.  

Yes, "The new church will settle down quite well with him in charge" but...with approval of "pope emeritus".

I have read articles about BXVI being "a transitional pope" on the Vatican Insider (easy search). Transitional to what? To the "end of the old Church and the beginning of the new" as was stated by BXVI on Dec. 2012. It was known from the very beginning that his goal was to "bring traditionalists back to the Church" (namely, the SSPX). At that time, John Vennari warned that BXVI had the potential of fracturing the traditional movement when he wasted no time changing the Good Friday Prayer for the conversion of the Jєωs and Summorum Pontificuм was nothing but a trap to get + Fellay into the "Hermeneutics of Continuity". I have published previously an article plotting how to get the SSPX to fall for Summorum Pontificuм which appeared just nine months before its release.

It was BXVI who approved "The Aparecida Docuмent" which is the footprint of Francis' pontificate. BXVI was present at the CELAM Conference in Brazil were the Docuмent was created by the South American Liberation Theology Jesuits, among them: Bergoglio.

The expert on this "Aparecida Docuмent" is Cardinal Marc Ouellet, a missionary in S. America for many years. He was one of the papal contenders and in frequent private audiences with BXVI and now Francis. Cardinal Ouellet translated the "Aparecida Docuмent" to Italian for all the priests of the Diocese of Rome a few months ago.

The "New Church" stated by BXVI is "The New Evangelization" or "Evangelical Catholicism" which has no use or room for proselytism and which has wreaked havoc in South America where it has been experimented since VII. BXVI was present at the CELAM Conference shortly after his election and gave the opening speech and finally approved the "Aparecida Docuмent" within days of the release of Summorum Pontificuм in 2007. He knew full well the direction they were going but Summorum Pontificuм would ensure (they hoped) the SSPX's "reintegration".

It was BXVI who approved the Neocatechumenal Way (called it "a gift of the Holy Spirit") and other "Ecclesial Realities" such us Communion and Liberation which he is very tied to as was JPII. Women from this group are the ones who have cared for BXVI since his election and continue to care for him in his "retirement".

At the funeral of the founder of Communion & Liberation, Fr. Giussani, Cardinal Ratzinger stated: "Fr. Giussani...understood that Christianity is not an intellectual system, a packet of dogmas, a moralism, Christianity is rather an encounter, a love story; it is an event".

As Catholics in a time of "general apostasy", we have to be "wise as serpents and simple as doves". We are left to save our own souls because our pastors and even traditional bishops are not doing their duty watching and praying. Praying alone is not enough. +Fellay and conservatives have been obstinate in seeing BXVI as a conservative and because of it, BXVI succeeded in fracturing the SSPX. BXVI is a Modernist. They will have to find out the hard way.
 

Well said, Marie!