Jonestown, here we come!

The level of power this grants to Pfeiffablo is staggering. Now there is nothing to check the megalomania and abuses of power.

The insanity is going to ratchet up to the next level (as it has been for the past X months, ever since they gained full control over the property)

Now all that remains is for Fr. Pfeiffer to acquire more Orders (i.e., Episcopate) and/or jurisdiction (Archbishop, Cardinal, Pope) and we're on course for a full-on schismatic cult.

I fear that this will turn out to be a demented, fever-dream, "worst of all worlds" combination with elements from many groups we've seen in the past/present.

Try to imagine this cocktail from hell:

Demonic influence of Rasputin
Error, stubbornness, isolation of Old Catholics, Orthodox
Cult behavior of Jonestown cult
Kookiness, fringe elements of Pope Michael
Politics, propaganda, greed, strong-arm tactics of the Neo-SSPX
Doctrinal error/extremism of The Dimond Brothers
Emotional rhetoric of Traditio and Novus Ordo Watch
Scandals like we saw in Society of St. John ("Johnnies", started by Fr. Uruttigoity)

Seriously, am I off base with any of this? Have we not seen all these elements already? Moral scandals from Pablo, doctrinal extremism, lies, manipulation, cult-like controlling behavior, etc.? As for fringe kookiness, haven't we heard Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko call the con man Ambrose Moran ARCHBISHOP Moran? And that's what they still believe about him!

So although this sounds quite negative, it's also quite realistic.

Has anyone pulled records from the Nelson County register of deeds to confirm?

I don't think such a "asset transfer" really makes a difference.

A MUCH better forum topic would be WHICH CHAPELS KEEP SENDING FR.P $$$$?!?! and figuring out a way to contact them and speak to them about the situation.

Matthew, do you think there still are chapels that are sending money to Boston, KY or is Fr.P just  draining the well that he filled up years ago?

So as of right now, it is just gossip and speculation.   That should ring a bell before folks continue commenting and beside that, whose business is it, other than Joseph Pfeiffer's and his parent's?

But no, it's not speculation. Just because they haven't filed the transaction yet (for example) doesn't mean my source is mistaken. I haven't looked into the requirements in Kentucky for filing real estate property transfers. Maybe someone who has more time could look this up?

They would certainly need to make it official with the county/state if they wanted to mortgage the property (which is probably free and clear right now). I could see them wanting to do this. Use the property like a piggy bank! Imagine all the airfare Fr. Pfeiffer could get -- but more importantly, he could build a bunch of buildings and upgrade his pet seminary (we all know that seminary is his inordinate attachment).

This whole resistance affair has become all too hostile and the cults of personalities much too partisan and abrasive. Look at the number of threads on this and following pages about Pfeiffer, and all to flay him for his faults.

Two priests and one Hernandez. Is this mainstream resistance so called, that weak that it needs to obsess on three misfits?

It is unseemly and brings out the worst in those who join in the fun.

These three are only so important and no more. They do not deserve to command so much attention.

More prayers and less outrage would go a long way to restoring Catholic balance here.

The SSPX major and minor has set a plague upon the Catholic remnant which is fragmenting into fiefdoms and sects, where everyone has a hero and a villain.

The enemy is the heretical conciliar church, the Novus Ordo sacrilege and the conciliar clergy.
Bishop Williamson says Fellay should know his enemy, well do any of them know?
One wonders because they certainly don't treat them as such, combing through their muck to find the sanctifying grace that is hidden within.

If such a transaction takes place the it is the concern of Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer, who might lose his birthright, not ours.

I do not have any heroes to defend or promote and because of that I do not see the need to beat Pfeiffer down so badly that he never rises again. That does seem to be what has been happening for months now.  He is a minor player with few resources. That is how he should be treated.

My apologies if that offends, it is not my intention.

1. This whole resistance affair has become all too hostile and the cults of personalities much too partisan and abrasive. Look at the number of threads on this and following pages about Pfeiffer, and all to flay him for his faults.

2. Two priests and one Hernandez. Is this mainstream resistance so called, that weak that it needs to obsess on three misfits?

3. It is unseemly and brings out the worst in those who join in the fun.

4. The SSPX major and minor has set a plague upon the Catholic remnant which is fragmenting into fiefdoms and sects, where everyone has a hero and a villain.

5. The enemy is the heretical conciliar church, the Novus Ordo sacrilege and the conciliar clergy.
Bishop Williamson says Fellay should know his enemy, well do any of them know?
One wonders because they certainly don't treat them as such, combing through their muck to find the sanctifying grace that is hidden within.

6. I do not have any heroes to defend or promote and because of that I do not see the need to beat Pfeiffer down so badly that he never rises again. That does seem to be what has been happening for months now.  He is a minor player with few resources. That is how he should be treated.

1. I don't think there are any cults of personality outside of Boston, KY. Those "against" Fr. Pfeiffer are only reluctantly so, when faced with all the outrages he has committed against the Traditional Catholic world.

2. To claim obsession, you really have to be referring to an individual, not a group of dozens of people. If it's "a bunch of us" discussing something a lot, then maybe there's a good reason for that, and you're the exception! Maybe you're just isolated where Fr. Pfeiffer doesn't affect you one way or the other, you're confused what all the fuss is about, and you presume to judge all of us. You're placing all of us in YOUR shoes, and that is leading to erroneous judgment on your part.

Think of all the people who have lost time, money, vocations, and lost opportunities for building a REAL Traditional Catholic Resistance -- all because of Fr. Pfeiffer's black hole operation there in Boston.

3. Unseemly? Some things are unpleasant but need to be done: having a boil lanced, having a rotten tooth extracted, getting a drivers license renewed. And some things need to be tried again and again for the sake of the public good and for souls (for example, trying to shut down a notorious cult which is harming Catholics of all ages, and wasting scant Trad Catholic resources that are much needed in more worthy quarters)

You are forgetting the "con artist"/desperation dynamic. Traditional Catholics love the Mass, and once they are convinced to become red lighters, they become REALLY DESPERATE for that Mass, willing to pay thousands of dollars just to attend one. But when it's all a scam and a mistake (i.e., they could just drive 1/2 hour or 1 hour and attend a perfectly acceptable Tridentine Mass -- even a Resistance Mass in many cases!) that is an outrage that needs remedying.

As for bringing out the worst, I try to reduce that as much as possible by A) my own example and B) moderation of the forum. When people cross the line, I moderate posts and correct people publicly.

4. This the most disturbing thing you've said. You seem to be very aloof from all these "Trad Catholic" troubles. Could you explain why? Are you a home aloner? Since when is caring about the Church, defending good and fighting evil a bad thing? Do you not know that when the shepherd (the principle of Authority) is struck, the sheep will be scattered? The Crisis in the Church -- and resulting chaos -- is NOT our fault.

You seem to be mocking the whole Traditional movement, or at least the whole Recognize and Resist part of that movement. I don't know which. But it's uncalled-for. There is nothing wrong with supporting good priests ("heroes"), or even pointing out true evils as they arise ("villains")

And you are over-simplifying as well. Fr. Zendejas and +Williamson are above all the politics and nonsense. They are just doing what they should. You don't hear them ripping priests apart. Even the recent conference of Fr. Pfluger showed this. He gave two examples of strife/infighting/chaos in the Resistance: "Fr. Pfeiffer attacks Bishop Williamson; Fr. Pfeiffer attacks Fr. Zendejas" See the pattern?

5. I bet you don't attend Mass with Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Garcia, or +Williamson, because they all regularly talk about who the enemy is: the Modernists. They talk about the Novus Ordo, the danger to souls, and what we Catholics can do today to keep the Faith. I'd call that Catholic, healthy, balanced, and an excellent lifeboat for a Catholic looking to survive the Crisis in the Church with his soul intact.

6. No one here is looking to beat Fr. Pfeiffer down so low he doesn't rise again (except maybe Croixalist -- you'll have to ask him). My opinion is that Fr. Pfeiffer needs to give up his seminary ambitions, get rid of Pablo, and certainly stop attacking his confreres in the Resistance and telling people to stay away from their Masses. I want people to stop being deceived. I want truth and justice to prevail.

I don't like to see villains prevail. And Fr. Pfeiffer and Pablo are villians objectively speaking, regardless of what dog you do (or don't) have in this fight. Defrauding people of their money, trying to destroy the Resistance, slandering the good name of others -- it must be nice to just "not care" about injustice, but I believe that it is a virtue to fight injustice and defend the innocent. I also believe it is a vice to "not care" when a young lady or widow gets victimized.

If I get called names for that, then so be it. Fortunately for me, it isn't you that will be judging me. I appeal to God's law and the Catholic Faith.

Last of all, he is not a "minor" player, but since you're so uninvolved, I guess you wouldn't know that. So many people STILL think Fr. Pfeiffer = the Resistance. If you bring up Resistance, they think "Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer". So his misdeeds affect us all, whether we like it or not. Also he has a worldwide media apostolate, and flies all over the world offering the Mass to small groups. There are many places where he is STILL the only Resistance option (sad to say). The Resistance is slowly growing, but it is still very small. In such a small world, a single Fr. Pfeiffer/Hewko and Pablo clique can really rock the boat.

I wish he was only 1% of the Resistance here in America, but together with Fr. Hewko he's more like 25%, and a VERY LOUD, OUTSPOKEN, HIGHLY VISIBLE 25% at that.

Matthew, you have taken some things that I said incorrectly because you are personally involved with some of the parties. Nothing wrong with that, it is loyalty which can be a virtue.

I have expressed my opinion on this forum by your good graces, and you have given me yours.
 It is your forum and as I said, I did not intend to offend by doing so, though
sometimes, that seems to be unavoidable.

It sounds like I was correct -- you're a de-facto (not a dogmatic) home aloner, though some of your rhetoric makes you sounds like one of the dogmatic ones...

How exactly did I fail to see your true position because of my own loyalty-induced blinders? Can you give an example?

I still deny that there is any sectarianism in the Resistance, outside Boston, KY.

You've admitted you're cut off from pretty much all the action in the Traditional Catholic world, yet you won't take someone else's word for it.

If a mugger attacks an old woman, and they all go down to the police station (the old woman goes too, to press charges and file a report), it isn't proper to lump her in with the attacker. "Oh, I've never had to go to the police station. But so many people get involved in fighting in the city, strife, assaults, crime... oh, the humanity!"

How would you feel if you were the victim of a crime, and some sanctimonious third party tsk-tsked at you for being "involved" in crime and violence? Wouldn't you be a bit upset at that unjust generalization?

No offense, but I'd be every bit as holy/accurate/true as you and attack the whole movement if I thought that was called for. Are you saying I wouldn't? I attacked Bishop Fellay when he fell in 2009, the SSPX when they fell in 2012, Pablo when his problems became obvious in 2013, and Fr. Pfeiffer when he fell in 2014. What makes you think I wouldn't turn on +Williamson and Fr. Zendejas the instant they start compromising or being sectarian?

You can believe what you want, but you can also be wrong. The objective truth is that I have an excellent track record of being objective (not falsely loyal) in the matter of loyalty to Tradition.