Author Topic: Mr. Ambrose Morans alleged Consecration papers (Read 15199 times)

BrJoseph · « **on:** November 01, 2015, 06:37:00 PM »

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-archbishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/

Please see the original post as there are two links attached.

On Tuesday October 27, 2015 I received the following e-mail (in red font), which I sent to Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer the same day:

Hei Tony

Docuмent and absolutely false! I ran the docuмent for verification to close associates of Cardinal Slipyy of that period. And those of Mons. Ivan Muzycka and Mons. Ivan Dacko was negative! In archives took Basilica Santa Sofia is not no copy of the docuмent dubbed. Signed by Cardinal Slipyi the docuмent submitted does not match with the real signature he used His Beatitude! The same signature and letterhead. Stamp also false! Signature of bishop Boretsky not match the signature he used! Two witnesses who were secretaries of cardinelw Slipyi not remember a fact of Episcopal Moran Dolgoroukyi. It’s all. So many good things.

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Centroamerica · « **Reply #1 on:** November 01, 2015, 06:45:06 PM »

So Fr. Pfeiffer visited an Orthodox cathedral last week. Did he pray with them? Because their guy offered "Mass" in Boston, Kentucky today.

BrJoseph · « **Reply #2 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:14:30 PM »

Not that we were made aware of.

cathman7 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:20:39 PM »

Quote from: BrJoseph

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-archbishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/

Please see the original post as there are two links attached.

So what is your conclusion?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:23:17 PM »

So are you saying he is valid but schismatic? (as well as a liar)

cathman7 · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:27:12 PM »

The question is not about his validity but about his integrity.

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:37:20 PM »

Just because there is a certificate that says that he was consecrated in the Orthodox Church, one does not automatically presume that it is valid. There must be a through investigation. Then, even if it is valid, you are not allowed to avail yourself of his sacraments.

One FACT is absolutely certain, Moran is a pathological liar and a sociopath. At this point, Father Pfeiffer must publicly repair the scandal and damage he (Fr. P.) has caused and in MHO he should be avoided until he does so.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #7 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:42:00 PM »

That he allows this person to offer 'Mass' but turned away other resistance priests is really an embarrassment for everyone associated with Fr. Pfeiffer. Those who were gonna leave have already left. The others will stay no matter what, and the more we question their position and 'leaders' the more cultish and determined they will become. At this point they should be ignored.

JPaul · « **Reply #8 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:58:05 PM »

Regardless, the scandal has been wrought. The faithful have been exposed to an uncertain and possibly dangerous situation in regards to the sacraments of the Church and Her cleric's solemn duty to protect them from abuse or falsification.

This cannot be undone or repaired no matter the outcome of any "confirmations" or investigations.

These priests ill served their spiritual charges with reckless disregard. This is a breaking of trust and a manifestation of a lack of integrity, as well as, an abuse of Catholic sacramental and moral practice.

It is shameful indeed.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2015, 07:58:42 PM »

So the question I have is why Catholics don't know it's wrong to attend Ambrose's Mass? Why don't they know it's wrong what Fr Pfeiffer is doing?

Sienna629 · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2015, 08:09:32 PM »

Quote from: BrJoseph

http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-archbishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/

Please see the original post as there are two links attached.

Why would a person think they were authentic certificates when they contain obvious alterations, such as the dates?

Centroamerica · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2015, 09:17:35 PM »

Quote from: TheRealMcCoy

Quote from: BrJoseph
We are presenting the facts.

You are free to draw your own conclusions.

Would the OLGS Canada Mission be willing to have Ambrose say Mass for them?

Let's see how this gets answered.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2015, 01:19:44 AM »

"Oh, whoops! Someone must have slipped a fake consecration certificate into my file here ... how about this one instead?"

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #13 on:** November 02, 2015, 05:30:09 AM »

From reading the OP and following the link, the evidence Br. Joseph presents discredits Moran, does it not? Am I missing something?

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #14 on:** November 02, 2015, 05:32:20 AM »

Quote from: Sienna629

Quote from: BrJoseph
http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2015/11/01/concerning-archbishop-ambrose-morans-episcopal-consecration/

Please see the original post as there are two links attached.

Why would a person think they were authentic certificates when they contain obvious alterations, such as the dates?

Why would a Catholic think it was OK to be in communion with an Orthodox?

Why would a Catholic think it was not OK to be in communion with a Catholic priest or Catholic bishop?

This crisis is getting so bad it's like traditionalists who will sneak into the SSPX chapel to receive communion but won't talk to the priest after Mass lest anyone think they are in communion with him. Huh?