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magdalena · « **Reply #15 on:** December 03, 2012, 05:50:42 PM »

If Bishop Fellay accepts 95% of Vatican II, then most likely so do all the new Rectors, District Superiors and Seminary Professors. So the leadership of the SSPX is now what one may call conservative vs. traditional. All primed for entrance into the conciliar establishment. And all cozy under one umbrella.

bowler · « **Reply #16 on:** December 04, 2012, 12:44:50 AM »

Quote from: magdalena

If Bishop Fellay accepts 95% of Vatican II, then most likely so do all the new Rectors, District Superiors and Seminary Professors. So the leadership of the SSPX is now what one may call conservative vs. traditional. All primed for entrance into the conciliar establishment. And all cozy under one umbrella.

Rat poison is 99%+ nutritious food. Vatican II is just like rat poison, in both, the poison is in the nutritious food, it is not a separate ingredient that can be removed. And yet, if Bp. Fellay is correct and Vatican II is 95% "nutritious food", it is even worse than rat poison, which is 99+% nutritious food.

Abp. Lefebvre knew this, and all us idiots know this, yet, Bp. Fellay does not?

Not even Bp. Fellay himself believes that Vatican II is nutritious food, however, he will say that he "accepts 95% of Vatican II", so that he can get what he wants, to be regularized.

"We can't lie, even to save the world". Bishop Fellay lies to himself maybe to save the world ("save Catholism"), or maybe just to get regularized? It matters not, you can't lie even to save Catholicism and all sinners in the world, God would NEVER place a person in such a position.

JuanDiego · « **Reply #17 on:** December 04, 2012, 01:13:15 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Father Themann is an instructor?

He was only made a priest in 2009.

Father Joseph Wood, who is also an instructor, was ordained the same year as Father Daniel Theimann.

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #18 on:** December 05, 2012, 11:10:39 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

It's important visual evidence of the SSPX "culture change".

Similar to the old prophetic film "Catholics'.
Seduce the top guy and you can wreck the whole order.

Just transpose Bp. Fellay's image over Trevor Howard's face and put Max Krah's image over Martin Sheen's photo.

Same plot, with the resulting same old Vatican II sell-out.

http://satiricalgoo.blogspot.com/2012/12/catholic-visitor-movie.html

Incredulous · « **Reply #19 on:** December 06, 2012, 12:45:47 AM »

Anti-Fellayism...

My Technical genius!

Thank you!

PS Please send me the link to Dr. Maxie's funny photo...
I've been searching for it.

Wessex · « **Reply #20 on:** December 06, 2012, 09:14:04 AM »

Proof that history keeps repeating itself! The way in which young interlopers with new ideas can greatly influence the leadership leading to a crisis of faith which then spreads throughout the community is a classic pattern. And then the leader tries to hold the worried community together through the instrument of obedience.

Graham · « **Reply #21 on:** December 06, 2012, 11:04:06 AM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

Wow, they all look so relatively young. Where are the older, wiser, more seasoned instructors?

Youngsters are more tractable!

Columba · « **Reply #22 on:** December 06, 2012, 11:21:35 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Proof that history keeps repeating itself! The way in which young interlopers with new ideas can greatly influence the leadership leading to a crisis of faith which then spreads throughout the community is a classic pattern. And then the leader tries to hold the worried community together through the instrument of obedience.

The von Gutmanns and Vatican freemasons are not young. Neither were the Jєωs and masons of Vatican II. The interlopers merely distract as flashy front men.

Wessex · « **Reply #23 on:** December 06, 2012, 03:37:24 PM »

Quote from: Columba

Quote from: Wessex
Proof that history keeps repeating itself! The way in which young interlopers with new ideas can greatly influence the leadership leading to a crisis of faith which then spreads throughout the community is a classic pattern. And then the leader tries to hold the worried community together through the instrument of obedience.

The von Gutmanns and Vatican freemasons are not young. Neither were the Jєωs and masons of Vatican II. The interlopers merely distract as flashy front men.

I should have said armed with new ideas acquired at universities, the enemy of the Church. We have this lethal combination of old liberals in positions of influence and hungry young minds often hostile towards conservatism resulting in a generation carrying the flag for change. Even if this model for the new SSPX is too severe, a tendency may be recognised and we would need to wonder to what extent new funding is being drawn to the Society undergoing reform.

bowler · « **Reply #24 on:** December 06, 2012, 03:45:53 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

I should have said armed with new ideas acquired at universities, the enemy of the Church. We have this lethal combination of old liberals in positions of influence and hungry young minds often hostile towards conservatism resulting in a generation carrying the flag for change. Even if this model for the new SSPX is too severe, a tendency may be recognised and we would need to wonder to what extent new funding is being drawn to the Society undergoing reform.

Inexperienced in life young men that think once again, just like the 1950's and on, that they invented a better way, just like the Protestant, who thinks that they cracked the code of truth. The truth is that these change agents have lost their reverence for the wisdom of our fathers, they believe that our forefathers were ignorant of what the change agent knows, they think that they have "discovered an ancient secret", a better way.

"Any change whatever except from evil is the most dangerous of all things." This is why Plato urges legislators to find a way of implanting this reverence for antiquity."

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #25 on:** December 06, 2012, 10:43:08 PM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: magdalena
If Bishop Fellay accepts 95% of Vatican II, then most likely so do all the new Rectors, District Superiors and Seminary Professors. So the leadership of the SSPX is now what one may call conservative vs. traditional. All primed for entrance into the conciliar establishment. And all cozy under one umbrella.

Rat poison is 99%+ nutritious food. Vatican II is just like rat poison, in both, the poison is in the nutritious food, it is not a separate ingredient that can be removed. And yet, if Bp. Fellay is correct and Vatican II is 95% "nutritious food", it is even worse than rat poison, which is 99+% nutritious food.

Abp. Lefebvre knew this, and all us idiots know this, yet, Bp. Fellay does not?

Not even Bp. Fellay himself believes that Vatican II is nutritious food, however, he will say that he "accepts 95% of Vatican II", so that he can get what he wants, to be regularized.

"We can't lie, even to save the world". Bishop Fellay lies to himself maybe to save the world ("save Catholism"), or maybe just to get regularized? It matters not, you can't lie even to save Catholicism and all sinners in the world, God would NEVER place a person in such a position.

It seems to me you're overlooking something. +Fellay never said that he
does not intend to avoid eating the 5% poison. He didn't even say that it's
there. He said that 95% is okay, and he said nothing about the difference.
He's leaving that up to you to "fill in."

He leaves a lot up to his listeners to "fill in." Think about that while you
hear him speaking.. Think about what he is NOT SAYING for a change.
Keep track of it.. YOU'LL BE SHOCKED.

Now, any reasonable mind would PRESUME that an intelligent person would
not want to eat rat poison, or cyanide or whatever, but just because you
would like to PRESUME that he is among the intelligent persons, should
not be reason enough to put the whole SSPX up for grabs so that the SG
can have his cake and eat the poison too.

Quote from: AntiFellayism

Quote from: Incredulous

Similar to the old prophetic film "Catholics'.
Seduce the top guy and you can wreck the whole order.

Just transpose Bp. Fellay's image over Trevor Howard's face and put Max Krah's image over Martin Sheen's photo. Same plot, with the resulting
same old Vatican II sell-out.

http://satiricalgoo.blogspot.com/2012/12/catholic-visitor-movie.html

I have to admit: You are brilliant, AntiFellayism!

PAT317 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 06, 2012, 10:58:49 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

He leaves a lot up to his listeners to "fill in." Think about that while you
hear him speaking.. Think about what he is NOT SAYING for a change.
Keep track of it.. YOU'LL BE SHOCKED.

I am finding this more, and it is a good point to keep in mind when reading or listening to him. I think I have a natural tendency to "fill in" and make assumptions, which are not necessarily accurate ones, about what he (and maybe other priests?) are saying, which make it seem better than it really is.

stgobnait · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2012, 03:47:34 AM »

yes, its a good thing to think of... most people listen to whats said, and can be lulled into a sense of ' oh, thats not to bad, and BF sounds so nice' its whats not said... and the evidence of our eyes, in our chapels, the demeanor of our clergy, there's where you see the real giveaway....

Wessex · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2012, 04:06:37 AM »

If the traditionalist content of Bp. F's mind is just 5% ..... or is there to keep the faithful happy .... we have to deduce that what is remaining accepts or is friendly towards the mainstream, enough to talk about integration. It therefore is hard to deny that the Society is in a state of readiness to do a deal when Vatican politicians withdraw their objections. The Central Committee of Menzingen thinks that all it has to do after Bp. W's departure is to accuse its critics of schism, protestantism and sedevacantism to maintain its postion. And we have seen an array of lawyers, journalists and activists help it do this. I regard the set of six conditions cobbled together at the Chapter meeting as a face-saving exercise which can easily be set aside or fudged.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2012, 04:15:35 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

And we have seen an array of lawyers, journalists and activists help it do this.

Shameless, wretched people.

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I regard the set of six conditions cobbled together at the Chapter meeting as a face-saving exercise which can easily be set aside or fudged.

It's very apparent that Bishop Fellay is willing to muzzle his priests on command from the modernists. Therefore the actual conditions of any deal really only have to do with public face - not with the practical reality of what is happening. Any "liberty" the SSPX would have under such an agreement would be "very, very limited" - however nice and free it might sound!

The man who prays in mosques and sits in ѕуηαgσgυєs is not going to allow religious "freedom" to worship as an integral Catholic. And Bishop Fellay has shown himself more than willing to impose his will. Why to do otherwise is Protestant!

And international Jєωry and the degenerates in the German government were determined not to lose face by letting the SSPX come in without overt surrender, which would have caused a serious fracture.