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« on: August 30, 2014, 10:06:39 AM »
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    If any Catholic seeks an in-depth explanation of the on-going madness in Gaza, he should read Moses in the Old Testament. For instance, if the Israelites do not keep the commandments of God, they will be stricken with “madness and blindness and fury of mind” (Deut. XXVIII, 28), among many other curses. As Fr Meinvielle said, the Jews are a theological race, and they cannot escape their theological destiny – they are bound to God like no other people on earth.

    In Deuteronomy Moses is giving to the Israelites their last solemn instructions before they enter the Promised Land, and before he dies. In Chapter 28 (parallelled by Levit. XXVI) Moses makes very clear the mind of Jehovah (or Yahweh), the God of the Old Testament, identical with the God of the New Testament: the Jews will be specially blessed (v.1–14) if they obey the one true God, they will be specially cursed (v. 15–68) if they disobey him. Either way, they are a special race being given a special knowledge of the one true God for a special mission that they must fulfil for him, with a special reward or punishment from him, depending on how they fulfil that mission.

    No wonder Jews think they are special! Among the blessings listed here by Moses, God will raise them “higher than all nations” (v.1); “to be a holy people unto himself” (v.9); to be “the head and not the tail” (v.13). But in every one of these three verses it is noteworthy how Moses makes the Israelites’ superiority depend on their obedience to God: if they will “hear the voice of God and keep all his commandments” (v.1); if they “hear his commandments and walk in his ways” (v.9); if they will “hear the commandments of God and keep and do them” (v.13).

    On the other hand if the Israelites try to be that superior nation on their own terms, disobeying God (v.15), then a multitude of curs es will come upon them (v.16–68), and they will be scorned, hated and trampled upon by all other nations: they will be “scattered throughout all the kingdoms of the earth” (v.25); they will be stricken with “madness and blindness and fury of mind” (v.28 – think of Gaza!); the stranger with whom they live will “rise up over” them, he will be the head and they will be the tail (v.43–44); their enemy will put an “iron yoke” upon their neck (v.48); the Lord God will afflict them with all kinds of sufferings (v.59–61), and they will be “taken away from the land which they will go in to possess” (v.63). And all of this they will suffer because of not keeping and fulfilling the words of God’s law (v.58).

    Alas, did all these blessings and curses announced by the great Moses avail to make the Israelites recognize and serve their Messiah and Incarnate God when he came, as also prophesied by Moses (D eut. XVIII, 15–18)? No, they crucified him instead, which has for now nearly 2000 years brought down on their heads all of Moses’ curses. They made themselves into the most despised and downtrodden nation on earth, and they lost their right to the Promised Land, being driven out and scattered everywhere else from the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

    Nor does their regaining possession of the Holy Land mean that the curse is being lifted, because they are doing it on their own terms and not on God’s, so that the very re-possession turns into part of the curse. As Plato said (Georgias), it is better to suffer than to commit an injustice, and therefore in spiritual reality, the Israelis are more to be pitied than the Palestinians. Patience. We “all have sinned and do need the glory of God” (Rom. III, 22–23).

    Kyrie eleison.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 01:06:01 PM »
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  • I wonder what Jews are we talking about.

    The Khazars, all white skinned and mostly blond people are not part
    of the original Jewish nation, up to the time of our Lord Jesus Christ
    and their expelling from Palestine in 70 A.D. by the Romans.
    About closest you can get to a biological Jew is the Sephardic Jew,
    that resembles the Arab and the today's Palestine population, darker
    skin.
    Even the Sephardic Jew is a mixture of the races of the middle east.
    I doubt that any Jew of the 12 tribes exists, and are extinct.  This
    is why the Temple cannot ever be rebuilt, the tribes of Aaron and the
    Levites are extinct.
    This theological race of the Jews is a misnomer.  Because the Jews
    even in time of our Lord does not exist today.
    Even the Sephardic Jew may have relatives that either Christian and
    Moslem.  
    I do agree with His Imminence that today's Jews, even if their
    ancestors never set foot in Palestine, has developed a since of the
    Pharisees.  In their conversions to the Jewish religion, and most are.
    they developed the traits of Jews of the first century A.D.
    Such as the love of money and making money. Not trusting the
    non-Jew or Gentile. Justification of not telling the truth to the
    Gentile.   And inventing persecution hoaxes etc., etc.  


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    « Reply #2 on: August 31, 2014, 06:33:32 AM »
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  • Indeed. The current 'gypsy' masters of Palestine bare little resemblance to biblical Jews in geneaology but certainly benefit from the reverence lavished on them by modern Christians and the folk lore surrounding their 'special' status. But we know this is just a cover to justify mastery of the world with or without the gods looking on approvingly. If serious theologians do not admit to this massive elephant in the room, they will continue to base their lazy scripts on stale theology greatly in need of some updating. The bishop needs his Jews whether real or imaginary to support his view of history.  

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    « Reply #3 on: August 31, 2014, 07:55:32 AM »
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  • The Khazar myth is utter nonsense. Jews are largely semitic according to genetic studies with some minor European admixture. Modern Jews are the descendants of Biblical Israelites, not Khazars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

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    A study of haplotypes of the Y-chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al.[109] found that the Y-chromosome of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors." "Past research found that 50–80 percent of DNA from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome, which is used to trace the male lineage, originated in the Near East," Richards said. That supported a story wherein Jews came from Israel and largely eschewed intermarriage when they settled in Europe.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 31, 2014, 10:25:08 AM »
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    Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
    I do agree with His Imminence that today's Jews, even if their
    ancestors never set foot in Palestine, have developed a sense of the
    Pharisees, through their conversions to the Jewish religion, as most have
    so converted.  They developed the traits of Jews of the first century A.D. ..

    ..even while their subversive scholars working like termites from within academia have endeavored to re-write the history books - omitting the traditional terminology "A.D." and "B.C.," replacing it with "C.E." and "B.C.E." respectively, under the excuse that it's "less anti-Semitic" and more "politically correct" to do so..  (How anti-Semitic of me to notice!  HAHAHAHA)

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    ..such traits as the love of money and making money;  not trusting the
    non-Jew or Gentile;  justification of not telling the truth to the
    Gentile..

    Then dramatizing a pseudo-confession of same on one particular day of the year, when they make a spectacle of themselves walking around begging "forgiveness" of all those whom they have "offended" during the past year, with utterly no intention of ever ceasing to offend them again in the subsequent year, or, for that matter, forever and ever!  ..Because this ersatz apology syndrome is now part of their makeup, their theological identity, whereby they pretend to be sorry for their sins but they're not really, nor do they have any desire to amend their ways, and persist in their sin, such that there would be no forgiveness of them by God (rejection of the Holy Ghost, the unforgivable sin).  

    But what does that matter, when all too often today, the same people don't really believe in the very existence of "God" in the first place?

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    ..And inventing persecution hoaxes etc., etc.

    ..and inventing "anti-Semitism" as a catch-all "oy-veh!" to popularize their agenda.


    P.S. before you chime in, theknightvigilant, accusing me of 'hogwash', perhaps you ought to actually study HISTORY and not Wikipedia (which is owned by the same ilk as those we're talking about), and then you might realize that everyone on earth has DNA traceable to the Middle East, the cradle of civilization.  Duuuh.  

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    « Reply #5 on: August 31, 2014, 03:00:50 PM »
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    The Khazar myth is utter nonsense. Jews are largely semitic according to genetic studies with some minor European admixture. Modern Jews are the descendants of Biblical Israelites, not Khazars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

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    A study of haplotypes of the Y-chromosome, published in 2000, addressed the paternal origins of Ashkenazi Jews. Hammer et al.[109] found that the Y-chromosome of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews contained mutations that are also common among Middle Eastern peoples, but uncommon in the general European population. This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim," and a total admixture estimate "very similar to Motulsky's average estimate of 12.5%." This supported the finding that "Diaspora Jews from Europe, Northwest Africa, and the Near East resemble each other more closely than they resemble their non-Jewish neighbors." "Past research found that 50–80 percent of DNA from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome, which is used to trace the male lineage, originated in the Near East," Richards said. That supported a story wherein Jews came from Israel and largely eschewed intermarriage when they settled in Europe.


    Today's Jews are not a theological race.  Most of todays Jews are not
    decedents of the Jews of the old testament.  I never said that they are
    all Khazars. Your theories comes from the Jews with no proper
    investigations and the proofs in what your are saying.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 31, 2014, 03:40:13 PM »
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  • Those genetic studies do constitute proof that modern Ashkenazi Jews are mainly of Semitic lineage. European admixture is under 20%. That's not even arguable. It's proven by multiple independent genetic studies.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 31, 2014, 03:55:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    P.S. before you chime in, theknightvigilant, accusing me of 'hogwash', perhaps you ought to actually study HISTORY and not Wikipedia (which is owned by the same ilk as those we're talking about), and then you might realize that everyone on earth has DNA traceable to the Middle East, the cradle of civilization.  Duuuh.  

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    Perhaps you ought to learn something about haplogroups, YDNA, and MTDNA lineages.

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml

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    DNA studies have permitted to categorise all humans on Earth in genealogical groups sharing one common ancestor at one given point in prehistory. They are called haplogroups. There are two kinds of haplogroups: the paternally inherited Y-chromosome DNA (Y-DNA) haplogroups, and the maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups. They respectively indicate the agnatic (or patrilineal) and cognatic (or matrilineal) ancestry.


    Europeans and Semites differ greatly in their YDNA lineages. Jews have mostly Semitic lineages (for example, J1, J2, E1b1b). Europeans, on the other hand, mostly belong to haplogroups that are not typically found among Semites, such as R1b, R1a, I1 and I2. This constitutes undeniable evidence that the Jews are not European or Turkic converts, but Semitic immigrants, as the historical record also suggests.

    You don't know what you are talking about. Educate yourself.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup

    See how Semites and Europeans do not share the same haplogroups? Notice how Ashkenazi Jews share the same YDNA profile as other middle-easterners, but are nothing like Europeans, or the the people who currently inhabit the area where the Khazars were found?
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/World_Map_of_Y-DNA_Haplogroups.png




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    « Reply #8 on: August 31, 2014, 10:20:44 PM »
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  • Wikipedia is owned and operated by the Jews and Israel. It cannot
    be trusted, and if anyone tries to make correction on a source, it
    is immediately redefined back to the Jewish source.
    I am surprised that anyone on this forum takes Wikipedia
    seriously.  

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    « Reply #9 on: August 31, 2014, 10:43:36 PM »
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  • Agreed on wikipedia, but that data has been confirmed through dozens of independent studies.

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    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2014, 12:02:50 PM »
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  • "Dozens of independent studies," huh?  Knight Vigilant, however, quotes from a  single Jew_run source. LOL. As long as H.E. is on the subject, why doesn't he serve up an EC on the identity of   those "Jews who are not?" After all, the Apostle John thought it important enough to mention these vile supplanters twice in successive chapters of the Apocalypse. H.E., alas, suggests that the foul race now occupying and polluting Palestine may  indeed be the offspring of God's original Chosen People. But that still begs the question: Who then are these self_identified "Jews" who are really not Jews at all?  Must we be totally dependent for an explanation on non_Catholic sources, including Jewish scholars, like Bro. Kapner, Rev. Ted Pike, Texe Mares, Shlomo Sands,  and Arthur Koestler?  Why can't this normally very honest and straightforward bishop help us clear up the matter?  Common, Bp. Williamson, weigh in on the subject.  Tell us the rest of the story.


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    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2014, 03:54:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    "Dozens of independent studies," huh?  Knight Vigilant, however, quotes from a  single Jew_run source. LOL. As long as H.E. is on the subject, why doesn't he serve up an EC on the identity of   those "Jews who are not?" After all, the Apostle John thought it important enough to mention these vile supplanters twice in successive chapters of the Apocalypse. H.E., alas, suggests that the foul race now occupying and polluting Palestine may  indeed be the offspring of God's original Chosen People. But that still begs the question: Who then are these self_identified "Jews" who are really not Jews at all?  Must we be totally dependent for an explanation on non_Catholic sources, including Jewish scholars, like Bro. Kapner, Rev. Ted Pike, Texe Mares, Shlomo Sands,  and Arthur Koestler?  Why can't this normally very honest and straightforward bishop help us clear up the matter?  Common, Bp. Williamson, weigh in on the subject.  Tell us the rest of the story.


    Except wikipedia isn't the source.  :laugh1:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/

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    The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora.


    And if that isn't good enough for you, you can take a look at this. It's a compilation of the YDNA haplogroups of individual Jews. Notice the complete predominance of middle-eastern YDNA lineages like E and J?

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public/jewishdnaproject/default.aspx?section=yresults

    J and E1b1b1 = typical Semitic haplotypes, G = Caucasian, R1a and R1b = Indo-European. Jews are predominantly Semitic. You can't argue with the facts, I'm afraid. Genetic studies have disproven Khazar nonsense.




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    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2014, 04:25:33 PM »
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  • Genetics only tell a part of the story. The fact that the Jews are a distinct biological entity is undeniable, and in whatever admixture one might refer to, there are identifiable markers of their racial heritage. This is proven in the practical sense in that, most of them share in, and are motivated by, the same biological imperatives, which are demonstrated in far ranging and unconnected groups.
    They are motivated to act upon that which is good for their group above most other considerations. This is observable in that the same behaviours, inclinations and thinking are present in secular, religious, atheist, and almost any other subset of Jews.

    The continued inbreeding among these people has maintained and solidified the cultural and biological identifiers over millennia. The same qualities and particularities that one can observe today can be clearly seen in those who unjustly managed the death of our Lord, using the same methods as are used today to protect and advance their interests.

    The same supremacist non-involvement with any one outside of their racial and ethnic group was clearly illuminated by the words of our Lord in yesterday's Gospel, and condemned by Him.
    This same attitude which our Lord shows is not pleasing to God, is clearly taught in their synagogues and enshrined in the Talmud, and demonstrated daily in Palestine, where they not only are the Levites who pass by those in need, but, they are also acting as the robbers who assault the Samaritan and leave him half dead.


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    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2014, 09:52:39 PM »
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    Agreed on wikipedia, but that data has been confirmed through dozens of independent studies.


    The dozens of independent studies are also Jewish.  Check the
    last names, that will tell you.
    Jews need conversion.  The evil they are doing to mankind, and
    the world, they will be judged as if they were gentiles.
    What a wonderful world it would be today if only the Jews
    converted to the true religion. No wars, no civil disorders,
    no spreading of hate to incite others to hate and murder each
    other.  
    The neighborhood I lived in now, 20 years ago was a peaceful
    place, now filled with so much violence.
    This forget the racial mixtures, we are all related to the same
    common ancestors. How do I know, I may be related to a middle
    eastern Jew  2000 years ago in Palestine.
    Today Jews are not a theological race, that expired when they
    rejected Jesus Christ as their promised redeemer.
    All The KnightVigilant is concerned about is his false theories
    on today's Jews, and that Jewish sources that he quotes are
    somehow true.
    See what is happening in my neighborhood. Drive by
    shootings by opposing gangs.

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    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2014, 05:52:32 AM »
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  • Those YDNA results are confirmed not only in studies published in peer-reviewed journals, but by individually submitted and verified results on websites like familytreedna.

    Modern Jews are semitic.

     

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