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Offline Matthew

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More SSPX downplaying of Vatican II
« on: September 22, 2024, 05:42:41 AM »
Traditional Catholics consider Vatican II a superheresy, something to be totally avoided, a complete disaster for the Church. Trad Catholics think Vatican II must eventually be COMPLETELY THROWN OUT, tossed in THE DUSTBIN OF HISTORY, to solve the Crisis in the Church.

Indult or "conservative" Catholics consider Vatican II a slight bump, something that "was never properly implemented" or something easily salvageable. They talk about Vatican II being "90% Catholic". They downplay or DENY any schism between pre-Vatican II Catholicism and the post-Vatican II Conciliar Church. They constantly endeavor to blur the line, to claim a continuity between pre-Vatican II Catholicism and the Conciliar Church that came out of Vatican II.

The SSPX is moving FIRMLY into the second group. You can see it in THIS SERMON -- fast forward to the 8:00 mark for the meat.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: More SSPX downplaying of Vatican II
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2024, 07:01:20 AM »
On June 9, 2020, Archbishop Vigano first came out with the position that V2 is radically defective and must be completely pitched, responding to Bishop Schneider's claim that it just needs a few minor corrections ... thereby swinging to the right of "95%" Fellay, like two ships passing in the night.

With such a position, there's really no justification for a Traditional movement not in union with the "hierarchy".  Such would be schismatic.  In fact, they implicitly denounce the old SSPX and +Lefebvre of schism, between this and things like having NO presbyters witnessing marriages.  So we're all those Catholics married in front of SSPX priests in the past invalidly married?  At this point, they really should just merge with FSSP.
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Offline StAndrew

Re: More SSPX downplaying of Vatican II
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2024, 01:32:53 AM »
95% per SSPX
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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: More SSPX downplaying of Vatican II
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2024, 01:10:11 PM »



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Offline Viva Cristo Rey

Re: More SSPX downplaying of Vatican II
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2024, 01:12:11 PM »
Vatican II is a mess.  Many Catholics are divorced and remarried, pro sodomy, pro abortion.   Mostly because no one knows their faith.  It was done on purpose to be the one world secular global religion.  Also, many Catholics are free masons.  Many are obsessed with Divine Mercy and Mejagorje too.   There are a few good Catholics and clergy. 

I just don’t understand why anyone would go along with a such an evil man?   He never was Pope. 

I wonder if there is still a picture of Bergolio hanging in Sspx chapels.  





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