Author Topic: More slick Hollywood video promoting an SSPX chapel (Read 4731 times)

Matthew · « **on:** May 20, 2016, 11:47:00 AM »

Of course, Fr. Riccomini isn't there anymore. Things were so rough and stressful that he needed a permanent vacation from the place...

Note how they call it a "Catholic Community" now. That is exactly the language the Novus Ordo uses.

We need to pay attention to how they describe themselves. What words they use, and what words they DON'T use. To properly critique this, I'd have to watch it more than once. But 5 minutes is all I have right now; the first watch-through was to gather an "overall impression", and so I could post this.

Right now I need to go A) work and B) send out my chapel's weekly bulletin. We have a Bishop coming here this Sunday...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/_bhpYdgRgj0[/youtube]

Miseremini · « **Reply #1 on:** May 20, 2016, 03:01:00 PM »

Of course they call it a Catholic Community, what do you want them to call it?

I heard that phrase way back in the 1940's when people referred to our parish.

The Carmelites in our city were said to have a community, the School Sisters of Notre Dame referred to their convent as living in community. The laity were referred to as (Parish Name) community. It's a common word referring to a group of people with a singular goal, interest, devotion etc etc.

To say this is a novus ordo phrase is wrong . It's only theirs if we say it is.

When I was young children were gαy. Well it now means something else because we let it.

We now call ourselves Traditional, Latin Rite, Resistance. Language changes but I see nothing wrong with lay people being part of a Catholic Community; it's better than a cult.

We have to pick our battles and this one just seems very far down the list.

Ekim · « **Reply #2 on:** May 20, 2016, 04:29:38 PM »

How 'bout simply calling it "Our Lady of Sorrows"?

I grew up I a city that had a Catholic Church every 3 or 4 miles. None of them had any descriptive subtitles. It was simply "St. Henry's", "Incarnation of Our Lord", "St. Veronica's".... LOOOOONG before Vatican II was ever even considered.

I agree, there are more substantive things to shake the stick at than "Community" however, this word has been taken over by protestants and modernist Catholics. Unfortunately, it no longer has the Catholic connotation's it might have had in 1940. It is now a buzz word indicating an acceptance / welcoming of the modern world, and as such, deserves an air of caution by all Traditional Catholics.

Ekim · « **Reply #3 on:** May 20, 2016, 04:42:55 PM »

Actually, some did have the postscript..."Roman Catholic Church".

Geremia · « **Reply #4 on:** May 20, 2016, 04:50:53 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Things were so rough and stressful that he needed a permanent vacation from the place...

It was a bit of an overwhelming assignment for such a young priest. He was only in his late 20s when first assigned there. Plus, his dad dying contributed to the stress.

Incredulous · « **Reply #5 on:** May 20, 2016, 05:43:48 PM »

"And for the category of "Religious Re-Branding", the winner is... Father Jurgen Wegner!"

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/_bhpYdgRgj0[/youtube][/quote]

hollingsworth · « **Reply #6 on:** May 20, 2016, 06:00:26 PM »

Had we not passed through a decade of association with SSPX, this video would have greatly impressed us, I think. But now that we have experienced the SSPX 'full monte,' issues which would never have been of concern earlier suddenly flock in upon us. Like, what happens when we follow the money? Like, did, perhaps, the Rothschild fortune figure into the construction of this new edifice? Like, what happened to Fr. Riccomini? Like, why does the video have to look so slick, staged and professional? To whom has it been distributed? Like, what's really going on behind the scenes? Etc. The SSPX we knew in both Los Gatos and Post Falls didn't function quite this smoothly.

mw2016 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 20, 2016, 07:35:11 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

"And for the category of "Religious Re-Branding", the winner is... Father Jurgen Wegner!"

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Yeah, that's about right.

I saw my kids in a couple of shots in that video, didn't even know they were filming for such a thing as this.

It sure puts a nice "appearance" on everything, doesn't it?

I would say things are not quite as they seem in the video.

A lot of money is being spent on this sort of "re-branding."

It makes me miss the old days when OLOS had no money.

Also, this video is recent, because of some footage in the new Church, yet they are using footage of Fr. Riccomini who has been gone since before last Christmas.

mw2016 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 20, 2016, 07:44:03 PM »

Ok, I see now it is not that recent, as it was published on the SSPX's channel on September 30th. So, it all must have been filmed prior to that date.

I do wonder what the intended target audience-demographic was for this.

What are they trying to do? Attract more customers??

The SSPX has a PR problem with the general public that this video can in no way overcome, so it seems like a bit of a waste of money to me.

It reminds me a bit of Fr. Wegners's "survey" about his elder-home Utopia that he wants to build in Veneta that I received the other day.

It is being handled by a "branding research" firm.

Weird.

Recusant Sede · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2016, 08:47:34 PM »

Quote from: Miseremini

Of course they call it a Catholic Community, what do you want them to call it?

I heard that phrase way back in the 1940's when people referred to our parish.

The Carmelites in our city were said to have a community, the School Sisters of Notre Dame referred to their convent as living in community. The laity were referred to as (Parish Name) community. It's a common word referring to a group of people with a singular goal, interest, devotion etc etc.

To say this is a novus ordo phrase is wrong . It's only theirs if we say it is.

When I was young children were gαy. Well it now means something else because we let it.

We now call ourselves Traditional, Latin Rite, Resistance. Language changes but I see nothing wrong with lay people being part of a Catholic Community; it's better than a cult.

We have to pick our battles and this one just seems very far down the list.

I'm calling you out on this. You may be a bit older than me, but I have never ever heard the name "community" used to discribe members of a Catholic parish. I am asking for proof of your assertion or withdraw your claim.

compline · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2016, 10:28:31 PM »

Sure, it's got some nice fly-overs of the church exterior, but the amateur and obviously cue-card read testimonials from the priests and parishioners hardly screams slick Hollywood production. We see what we want to see, I suppose.

pbax · « **Reply #11 on:** May 20, 2016, 10:52:51 PM »

Quote

I'm calling you out on this. You may be a bit older than me, but I have never ever heard the name "community" used to discribe members of a Catholic parish. I am asking for proof of your assertion or withdraw your claim.

Will this do.
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Our minor propaganda will aim at attaching the support of important sections, such as the Jєωs, probably by the declaration of a clear-cut policy on Palestine and of our intention if victorious to put an end to anti-Semitic persecution, and of the Roman Catholic community in similar terms. These"

From Fr Couglans talk he gave in 1939

Incredulous · « **Reply #12 on:** May 20, 2016, 11:36:52 PM »

Quote from: mw2016

Ok, I see now it is not that recent, as it was published on the SSPX's channel on September 30th. So, it all must have been filmed prior to that date.

I do wonder what the intended target audience-demographic was for this.

What are they trying to do? Attract more customers??

The SSPX has a PR problem with the general public that this video can in no way overcome, so it seems like a bit of a waste of money to me.

It reminds me a bit of Fr. Wegners's "survey" about his elder-home Utopia that he wants to build in Veneta that I received the other day.

It is being handled by a "branding research" firm.

Weird.

Your parish looks so clean, handsome, wholesome and God-fearing.

My impression is that it's a recruitment film targeting conservative Novus ordo faithful.

It looks like the xSPX leadership is trying to fill the pews with Novus ordo folks who are impressed with the trappings of tradition (long cassocks, incense and bells).

Marlelar · « **Reply #13 on:** May 21, 2016, 12:45:49 AM »

I think the target audience is "conservative" NO types. OLS is falling very short on their mortgage payments and need to increase the collection.

I see many new faces so I think it is working, well at least by head count, but the money is not flowing in so I think those new faces are leaving their wallets slapped shut.

Wessex · « **Reply #14 on:** May 21, 2016, 05:40:14 AM »

Not a community if those attending have to travel long distances. But the word assumes more than it should. There is more to social intercourse than being productive units, consuming together, getting into debt together and sharing a pew on Sundays.

I would say from the film those young priests who never knew the old church and the squeaky clean parishioners have found each other. At long last the Society has produced a good fit. No more miserable old priests with issues having to motivate jaded laymen with suspicions as long as your arm! A new breed of priest and parishioner has been invented. Modern church, modern priests, modern congregation. Or so it appears.

I think the scene is essentially American. No way could it be shown in the old world without ridicule and disbelief. Disney could not have done better. It would not attract everyone; the audience is restricted which is inconsistent with Catholicism. I would have to comb my hair and polish my shoes for starters!