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More re-education in the new SSPX
« on: December 28, 2012, 07:01:03 PM »
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  • You know this past year…the leaders of our beloved SSPX have given us such a roller coaster ride of silence, disappointment, ambiguity, distraction, grief, confusion, division, anxiety, digression, anguish, betrayal, and so on…such a bitter fruit on their new-hoped for-conciliar agreement-tree.

    I am always waiting with some hope they would see their error, come out of the conciliar darkness, and back into the light that Archbishop Lefebvre had seen it -in the ‘full spectrum’ light of the FAITH.

    Well…not today.

    I just purchased the new 2013 Angelus Calendar on THE PAPACY.   I had a prior sense that this calendar may be a continuum, after the recent Kansas City Conference on the Papacy given by Bishop Fellay, to orientate and re-educate us for the new accord, and thrust, of the “conciliar agreement”.  Well my senses were not off.

    Written with subtle diffusion in two places inside the Calendar is, first page, second paragraph:

    “From Peter himself, down to his current successor, Pope Benedict XVI, 265 men have sat in the Chair of Peter and determined, more than any other authority, the course of the world.  (Hmm.  “…and determined…the course of the world.”  Ok??  Where are you going with this?  You are sharing the word determined.  Let’s define “determined”.  St. Peter “determined” the course of the world according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ –for the worship of GOD; Benedict XVI “determines” the course of the world according to ecuмenical flattery –for the worship of MAN!).  This calendar seeks to present just a few of the momentous events in the life of this great office, which guides the Barque of Peter, outside of which no one may be saved.  (Hmm.  “…which guides the Barque of Peter, …momentous events?”  Yes, that was St. Peter up to Vatican II.  Where in this calendar is the disastrous “momentous events” of Benedict XVI?  You did include his name?  Or do you want to imply, or suggest, the lullaby that the “determined” Benedict XVI “IS NOT IN BREAK” with the other Popes suggested in your shared use of the word “determined” for both of them in the course of the world?)  We hope these beautiful images and the following short explanations will encourage you to study more deeply the papacy and its role in the glorious history of the Catholic Church.” (This “suggestive” language was not used in the “old” SSPX!  Charity - yes.  False obedience - NO!  Or, is it really -let’s re-educate to go along to get along- and not talk about the errors anymore.  Are you tired of the fight God provided for us in this time?  Where is your FAITH?).

    Next, on the back page, is the easing in/orientation, of the New Church fasting practices.  Now with the many new “fish emblems” added to the calendar -it has become a “new aquarium of ecuмenism”!

    Even within the mist of claims from the SSPX Leaders over the last months (don’t worry…, there is no deal…), that when no one is looking, they slip in under the radar again, more subtle diffusion of “re-education”; which adds to their overall covert deal they have been trying to implement over the last year, in their -“big picture strategic plans” (to borrow some of Fr. Rostand’s recent words).  

    Yes it is subtle no less; who really wants to go down the trap, open the door, keep company, drink in, and dine with…ERROR?


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    « Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 07:21:09 PM »
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  • Machabees, that is very interesting, and I agree: it sounds like more of the same soft soap to acclimatise us to the idea of accepting Benedict XVI as "normal", a pope just like all the others before him with no distinction, etc.

    A small question, however, about the fish emblem, fasting, etc. if I may:

    What exactly do you mean by this? Would I be right in thinking that the calendar is essentially following the 1983 CIC when it comes to fast&abstinence? Is there no mention of the old rules (Ember Days, etc?) What is the change in this calendar - how did it used to be presented, exactly?

    At this stage nothing would surprise me. I came across a new SSPX prayer book recently that had only the modern indulgence rules in it, and the Divine Mercy, for example.

    But I want to get my facts straight about this before I start telling people all about it. Many thanks.


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    « Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 07:27:05 PM »
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  • Just discovered that Tan Books has a new HYBRID 2013 Calendar!

    https://tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/1010/keywords/calendar/

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    "All calendars contain special feasts and fascinating Catholic traditions. They are marked with days of Fasting, special Saints Days, and the Sundays of the Liturgical Year for both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Calendar."


    Will the SSPX Angelus be next...?

    Uggggg!!!!!

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    « Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 08:03:12 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRecusant
    Machabees, that is very interesting, and I agree: it sounds like more of the same soft soap to acclimatise us to the idea of accepting Benedict XVI as "normal", a pope just like all the others before him with no distinction, etc.

    A small question, however, about the fish emblem, fasting, etc. if I may:

    What exactly do you mean by this? Would I be right in thinking that the calendar is essentially following the 1983 CIC when it comes to fast&abstinence? Is there no mention of the old rules (Ember Days, etc?) What is the change in this calendar - how did it used to be presented, exactly?

    At this stage nothing would surprise me. I came across a new SSPX prayer book recently that had only the modern indulgence rules in it, and the Divine Mercy, for example.

    But I want to get my facts straight about this before I start telling people all about it. Many thanks.


    Hello TheRecusant,

    On the very back of the Angelus Calendar, taking up two pages, are 4-sub headings.  In its order:

    1- Holy Days of Obligation.  (described in different countries).
    2- Fasting and Abstinence Days.  (explanation).
    3- Requirements For Penitential Days Under Present Church Law (To follow 1983 Code of Canon Law: Canons 1249 - 1253).
    4- Guidelines For Observing Traditional Penitential Days.  (What it always use to be in the Angelus Calendar up until this new "orientation").

    Notice how it reads in sub-heading #3- REQUIREMENTS for...to follow 1983 Code of Canon Law; and in sub-heading #4 it reads GUIDELINES for...the traditional teaching!!!  As well as, #3 1983 Code of Canon Law comes before (taking presidence over) #4 the Traditional fasting days...!

    There are 5-fish emblems in this new Angelus Calendar.  

    The two-pronounced fishes are for the Requirements For Penitential Days Under Present Church Law (To follow 1983 Code of Canon Law: Canons 1249 - 1253).

    The other three-less pronounced fishes are for the Guidelines For Observing Traditional Penitential Days.  (What it always use to be in the Angelus Calendar up until this new "orientation").

    You can actually say in this sense, that the Angelus also went HYBRID!  

    It seems to me another "slip under the radar" when no one is looking!

    What else is to come...?

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    « Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 10:16:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Just discovered that Tan Books has a new HYBRID 2013 Calendar!



    Not so new... it's been like that for about a decade.
    "I think that Catholicism, that's as sane as people can get."  - Jordan Peterson


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    « Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 10:29:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
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    Just discovered that Tan Books has a new HYBRID 2013 Calendar!



    Not so new... it's been like that for about a decade.


    Ikkks!    :facepalm:

    Did Tan books come under new management or something?  I remembered them, many years ago, to be a staunch Catholic book publisher.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 10:55:26 PM »
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    Quote from: Machabees
    Just discovered that Tan Books has a new HYBRID 2013 Calendar!



    Not so new... it's been like that for about a decade.


    Ikkks!    :facepalm:

    Did Tan books come under new management or something?  I remembered them, many years ago, to be a staunch Catholic book publisher.


    MaterDominici you got me curious.  I went to Tan Book's website again and "all" of their Calendars are indeed HYBRID!

    They are all marked "for both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Calendar".

    Double Ikkks!

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    « Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 11:09:56 PM »
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  • From Wikipedia:

    TAN Books & Publishers is a Traditional Catholic book distributor and publisher, now in Charlotte, North Carolina. It was founded in 1967, in Rockford, Illinois, by Thomas A. Nelson, the "TAN" standing as a monogram for Mr. Nelson's initials. Following financial problems which led to bankruptcy, TAN was acquired by Saint Benedict Press (LLC) in 2008.[1]



    1    Saint Benedict Press

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    Now they promote books concerning John Paul II, like this one:

    https://tanbooks.benedictpress.com/index.php/page/shop:flypage/product_id/1026/keywords/john+paul/
    "In our time more than ever before, the greatest asset of the evil-disposed is the cowardice and weakness of good men, and all the vigour of Satan's reign is due to the easy-going weakness of Catholics." -St. Pius X

    "If the Church were not divine, this


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    « Reply #8 on: December 29, 2012, 12:18:21 AM »
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  • Just to note: the calendar says nothing about Saint Benedict Press as its present format predates the change in management.

    Of related interest, you might find this FREE calendar useful.
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    « Reply #9 on: December 29, 2012, 01:48:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Just to note: the calendar says nothing about Saint Benedict Press as its present format predates the change in management.

    Of related interest, you might find this FREE calendar useful.


    It's BEAUTIFUL!  Thank you for posting it!

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    « Reply #10 on: December 29, 2012, 01:56:03 AM »
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    From Wikipedia:

    TAN Books & Publishers is a Traditional Catholic book distributor and publisher, now in Charlotte, North Carolina. It was founded in 1967, in Rockford, Illinois, by Thomas A. Nelson, the "TAN" standing as a monogram for Mr. Nelson's initials. Following financial problems which led to bankruptcy....
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    And unsecured creditors, myself included, lost thousands of dollars.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 29, 2012, 05:10:24 AM »
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    Machabees, that is very interesting, and I agree: it sounds like more of the same soft soap to acclimatise us to the idea of accepting Benedict XVI as "normal", a pope just like all the others before him with no distinction, etc.

    A small question, however, about the fish emblem, fasting, etc. if I may:

    What exactly do you mean by this? Would I be right in thinking that the calendar is essentially following the 1983 CIC when it comes to fast&abstinence? Is there no mention of the old rules (Ember Days, etc?) What is the change in this calendar - how did it used to be presented, exactly?

    At this stage nothing would surprise me. I came across a new SSPX prayer book recently that had only the modern indulgence rules in it, and the Divine Mercy, for example.

    But I want to get my facts straight about this before I start telling people all about it. Many thanks.


    Hello TheRecusant,

    On the very back of the Angelus Calendar, taking up two pages, are 4-sub headings.  In its order:

    1- Holy Days of Obligation.  (described in different countries).
    2- Fasting and Abstinence Days.  (explanation).
    3- Requirements For Penitential Days Under Present Church Law (To follow 1983 Code of Canon Law: Canons 1249 - 1253).
    4- Guidelines For Observing Traditional Penitential Days.  (What it always use to be in the Angelus Calendar up until this new "orientation").

    Notice how it reads in sub-heading #3- REQUIREMENTS for...to follow 1983 Code of Canon Law; and in sub-heading #4 it reads GUIDELINES for...the traditional teaching!!!  As well as, #3 1983 Code of Canon Law comes before (taking presidence over) #4 the Traditional fasting days...!

    There are 5-fish emblems in this new Angelus Calendar.  

    The two-pronounced fishes are for the Requirements For Penitential Days Under Present Church Law (To follow 1983 Code of Canon Law: Canons 1249 - 1253).

    The other three-less pronounced fishes are for the Guidelines For Observing Traditional Penitential Days.  (What it always use to be in the Angelus Calendar up until this new "orientation").

    You can actually say in this sense, that the Angelus also went HYBRID!  

    It seems to me another "slip under the radar" when no one is looking!

    What else is to come...?


    Do you have older Angelus Press calendars to compare with before you came up with such ideas? There is nothing new in what you've mentioned above for decades in all the calendars I have (other than those from sedevacantist resources) as I've seen fast and abstinence rules obligates under pain of mortal sin only if it is specified under the 1983 Code of Canon Law. Society priests, however, have always encouraged the congregation to observe the traditional rules on fast and abstinence.

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    « Reply #12 on: December 29, 2012, 05:14:43 AM »
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    Just discovered that Tan Books has a new HYBRID 2013 Calendar!



    Not so new... it's been like that for about a decade.


    Ikkks!    :facepalm:

    Did Tan books come under new management or something?  I remembered them, many years ago, to be a staunch Catholic book publisher.


    How new are you to Tradition, Machabees? Back in 1977 TAN already published this:

    https://www.tanbooks.com/index.php/New-Regulations-on-Indulgences

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    « Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 05:54:10 AM »
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    Do you have older Angelus Press calendars to compare with before you came up with such ideas? There is nothing new in what you've mentioned above for decades in all the calendars I have (other than those from sedevacantist resources) as I've seen fast and abstinence rules obligates under pain of mortal sin only if it is specified under the 1983 Code of Canon Law. Society priests, however, have always encouraged the congregation to observe the traditional rules on fast and abstinence.


    We are talking about SSPX calendars. Do you have SSPX calenders going back decades?


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    « Reply #14 on: December 29, 2012, 07:00:42 AM »
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    Do you have older Angelus Press calendars to compare with before you came up with such ideas? There is nothing new in what you've mentioned above for decades in all the calendars I have (other than those from sedevacantist resources) as I've seen fast and abstinence rules obligates under pain of mortal sin only if it is specified under the 1983 Code of Canon Law. Society priests, however, have always encouraged the congregation to observe the traditional rules on fast and abstinence.


    We are talking about SSPX calendars. Do you have SSPX calenders going back decades?


    Angelus Press is one of the official publishing arms of the SSPX! Let me try to dig back my library for older calendars that I bought from the SSPX chapel.