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Offline KevinBrumley

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Re: More on Voris
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2020, 07:22:53 PM »
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    • "Church Militant will definitely not be sued by SSPX"

    I wouldn't be so sure about that friend.
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    Offline StLouisIX

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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #31 on: May 21, 2020, 08:13:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 20, 2020, 10:09:06 PM
    The gaping hole in E. Michael Jone’s intellect is his indifference to Catholic tradition and the True Mass.
    Absolutely. I remember him stating that it didn't matter if the Mass was said in Latin or not during one of his interviews with Owen Benjamin. Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4cxjuNaBVw&t=37s 

    (Question about Old Mass vs New Mass is asked at 1:20; Jones responds at 1:47)

    Jones' answer: "I think that one of the most destructive things you can get into, is making invidious comparisons between two kinds of Mass. I've avoided this for 40 years now, there's always people who are trying to drag me into sometime of statement, if only the Mass were still in Latin we wouldn't have any of the problems we have now. That's just fantasy, just fantasy."

    As can be seen from this statement, he seems to have constructed a strawman that Traditionalists think that the Latin Mass, by its very nature, will mystically solve the Crisis in the Church and in the World. Perhaps that attitude may be found in the Indult, since compromising with Rome leaves them no room to criticize the tenets of the New Religion along with the New Mass, so the only thing they can truly cling on to is the Mass itself. This misses the point that this traditional liturgy should be accompanied by traditional teaching. However, this statement by Jones completely ignores the arguments made in favor of the Latin Mass that are based upon proving that it is the ONLY Mass of the Roman Rite, using the solid foundation of previous Papal teaching, Church tradition, and canon law. 

    Compare such Jones’ statement with paragraph 66 of Auctorem Fidei: 

     "66. The proposition asserting that 'it would be against apostolic practice and the plans of God, unless easier ways were prepared for the people to unite their voice with that of the whole Church'; if understood to signify introducing of the use of popular language into the liturgical prayers,—false, rash, disturbing to the order prescribed for the celebration of the mysteries, easily productive of many evils." 

    https://hymnsandchants.com/Texts/Church/Papal/Constitutions/AuctoremFideiEnglish.pdf

    It seems to be almost incomprehensible that he can see through the social engineering of the 60s to the present, but yet can't somehow see through the Novus Ordo Church. 
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #32 on: May 21, 2020, 08:25:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: StLouisIX on May 21, 2020, 08:13:51 PM
    It seems to be almost incomprehensible that he can see through the social engineering of the 60s to the present, but yet can't somehow see through the Novus Ordo Church.
    This is because E. Michael Jones has an interesting past. he is a former hippie. He never made it to woodstock on his honeymoon in 1969 due to heavy traffic. But, he was still on his way to Woodstock. He wasn't a traditionalist until 1981. So, he must've loved Novus Ordo much more than the Latin Mass before that and he obviously still does today, that is why he can't spot any differences. This man has been fighting with traditionalists for years and he is an anti-semitic con man and I think it's funny that Father Nicholas Gruner thought that E. Michael Jones was secretly a Jew and that may actually be true.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #33 on: May 21, 2020, 09:42:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 21, 2020, 06:11:11 AM
    CM’s hit pieces are total garbage.  CM is also, rather hypocritically, sympathetic to perverts, since their leader is a pervert and he protects other perverts working for the operation (Simon Rafe).

    Voris and Niles will get what’s coming to them from God.

    Are you ever going to come clean about your ties to CM?
    Sure, just keep accusing those of us who want Wegner and the rest of those responsible for the keeping pervs in the SSPX around of working for Voris. You're not terribly capable of critical thinking.

    On the contrary, Voris and Niles will probably be rewarded for their perseverance on the face of the dummies that can't stand the SSPX corruption being exposed. Why does it bother you so much, Lad? You have a favorite over there you don't want to see bite the dust?
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #34 on: May 21, 2020, 09:44:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on May 20, 2020, 10:52:39 PM
    Did he explicitly say so? And if he did, do we have any reason to believe him, after all?
    Yes, he does. And he is annoyed that Engel lumped him in with Brammer. Jones says he is too anti-semitic for Opus Dei, they won't touch him. They just want the money-bags.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #35 on: May 21, 2020, 10:39:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 21, 2020, 06:42:32 PM
    Yes, he responded well.

    But what is he?

    A Catholic spokesman defending consiliarism?

    He certainly doesn’t defend Catholic tradition.

    That’s the mystery of E. Micheal Jones.
    He's a really smart guy- lately he has been addressing the Vll issues(especially Nostra Aetate) in relation to the current apostasy. As usual he is naming no names ( Francis) but he seems to be a bit more honest about it. I think pride due to carrying water for the conciliar position for so long is keeping him from Tradition. It would be a great concession on his part. I wish he would just admit it. He is a pariah in the Novus Ordo  as he is too honest about the jews.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #36 on: May 22, 2020, 12:16:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on May 21, 2020, 09:42:22 PM
    Sure, just keep accusing those of us who want Wegner and the rest of those responsible for the keeping pervs in the SSPX around of working for Voris. You're not terribly capable of critical thinking.

    On the contrary, Voris and Niles will probably be rewarded for their perseverance on the face of the dummies that can't stand the SSPX corruption being exposed. Why does it bother you so much, Lad? You have a favorite over there you don't want to see bite the dust?
    ChurchMilitantTV die-hard fans are too dull-minded to understand that Trads are not upset that "CMTV is exposing the pedo problems of the SSPX."  Their dim-witted thinking can't grasp the idea that CMTV IS USING YEARS-OLD SCANDALS TO OBLIQUELY ATTACK THE SSPX IN AND OF ITSELF, BECAUSE IT SIMPLY EXISTS.

    They cannot grasp this.  They're not tall enough for this ride.

    And so, they keep their faith in Gary Virus.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #37 on: May 22, 2020, 06:20:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: maccabeansoft on May 21, 2020, 08:25:06 PM
    “ This man has been fighting with traditionalists for years and he is an anti-semitic con man”
    BINGO!  We have winner!   :jester:
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #38 on: May 22, 2020, 07:36:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on May 21, 2020, 09:42:22 PM
    On the contrary, Voris and Niles will probably be rewarded for their perseverance on the face of the dummies that can't stand the SSPX corruption being exposed. Why does it bother you so much, Lad? You have a favorite over there you don't want to see bite the dust?

    I don't believe that Voris' strong dislike for the SSPX stems from the issue of homo priests in the SSPX. He's had it in for the SSPX long before he wrote of the current problem. Are you not aware of that?

    The SSPX has a negative article about Opus Dei on their website. It's my opinion that Voris, as well as Opus Dei, do not want a strong priestly fraternity who defends Tradition. Not that the SSPX is good at that anymore; they are actually rather wimpy nowadays.

    We on this forum already know about some of cases that Voris has lately brought up, and we don't like it anymore than you do. That's what you and other defenders of Voris don't get. You can only see what Voris wants you to see. We are critical of the SSPX, but we do not trust a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ (even if he is celibate) narcissistic tabloid journalist to tell the truth. He has shown in the past that truth and sincerity are not a priority for him. He should have been honest from the beginning about his homo background and his affiliation with Opus Dei. And what about Simon Rafe? Doesn't he still work for CMTV? He was a writer of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ porn. Why would a supposedly honest person, who is trying to expose the homo agenda, keep someone like that around?
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #39 on: May 22, 2020, 08:06:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on May 21, 2020, 09:42:22 PM
    Sure, just keep accusing those of us who want Wegner and the rest of those responsible for the keeping pervs in the SSPX around of working for Voris. You're not terribly capable of critical thinking.

    On the contrary, Voris and Niles will probably be rewarded for their perseverance on the face of the dummies that can't stand the SSPX corruption being exposed. Why does it bother you so much, Lad? You have a favorite over there you don't want to see bite the dust?

    Nice try, Sam.  I have called for +Fellay to be investigated and ousted from the SSPX ... unless he can come up with an adequate explanation for why he reassigned Frs. Abbet and Peignot.  Even if he comes up with an explanation, then he should be demoted and never allowed to hold rank in the SSPX again.  You continue to deliberately create this false dilemma between accepting every word written by Voris and Niles as true and objective vs. defending those who did wrong in the SSPX.  I am trying to sift the truth from the fiction.  I can't recall the details around Father Wegner, but if the Jassy case is all there is, then he probably deserves a demotion, but that's about it.  I've clearly articulated what I am "bothered" by; it's the smear jobs interlaced with the legitimate issues.

    Your constant defense of every word from Voris and Niles suggests that you have some personal tie here.  I didn't say you worked for them, just that it's very probable based on your attitudes that you are somehow linked to them.  You signed up for an account right as the CM stories were coming out, have posted on almost nothing other than this issue, and you slavishly defend Voris & Niles on every point, even the ones that have been clearly debunked.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #40 on: May 22, 2020, 08:29:17 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 22, 2020, 06:20:01 AM
    BINGO!  We have winner!   :jester:
    Is telling the truth  anti-semitic?. What does anti-semitic even mean? I can't believe this is a point of contention here. 
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #41 on: May 22, 2020, 09:31:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 22, 2020, 08:29:17 AM
    Is telling the truth  anti-semitic?. What does anti-semitic even mean? I can't believe this is a point of contention here.
    I believe he was being sarcastic, at least I hope he was ::).
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #42 on: May 22, 2020, 09:36:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: KevinBrumley on May 21, 2020, 07:22:53 PM
    "Church Militant will definitely not be sued by SSPX"

    I wouldn't be so sure about that friend.
    Neither would I be. And afterwards they may go on to sue the KBI.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #43 on: May 22, 2020, 09:40:07 AM »
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    • Yeah, the SSPX would never win such a lawsuit, since they have actually done enough wrong in this matter (particularly the cases of Fathers Abbet and Peignot) that the jury would find the conclusions of CM to be plausible and therefore not libelous.

    I think that certain individuals could win lawsuits against CM ... such as the Fathers Novak.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #44 on: May 22, 2020, 10:58:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 22, 2020, 08:29:17 AM
    Is telling the truth  anti-semitic?. What does anti-semitic even mean? I can't believe this is a point of contention here.
    Josefa,
    One of the side-effects of the jews curse of Our Lord’s Blood upon their heads, is  being masterful at telling the “lie”.


    It can big lies, little lies, diversionary lies and lies for the purpose of  misdirection
    The judaic experts or talking heads will give us a lot of information on old crimes, but not the full story.


    In the case of Dr. Jones the conciliar front of judo-masonry occupying the Chiurch is not discussed.
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