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Offline Sam Smith

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Re: More on Voris
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2020, 07:42:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on May 20, 2020, 03:45:40 PM
    You're right. And Opus Dei are Vll groupies for sure. They want to replace the hierarchy with the laity. They want to be a Church of the laity, though they do have a few priests, whom they call 'prelates'. Yes, I have have lately learned that Opus Dei priests are chosen by higher-ups in the cult, probably by lay members of Opus Dei. That just very Protestant. Nothing Catholic about that.

    What is also evident is that the lay members of Opus Dei are not supposed to ever reveal their Opus Dei membership to anyone on the outside without permission from their director. I think that Voris, Lamont, Jones, and the others who are affiliated with Opus Dei might indeed be Opus Dei members, since they aren't allowed to admit that they are members. We may never know for sure.

    Michael Voris' original TV studio was located at the same location (same buildings) as former Opus Dei offices (after Opus Dei left the site, I think), according to Randy Engel. Obviously, Voris has strong ties to Opus Dei. Marc Brammer is an admitted Opus Dei member, and he is on the board of Voris' CMTV.

    I didn't know that Escriva was a тαℓмυdist, but it makes sense.
    Brammer no longer has any connection to CM.
    Voris addressed this recently. Essentially, Voris won control of CM when Brammer tried to oust him over his "coming out" in 2016. Brammer cannot get CM back unless he were to try to sue Voris, which Brammer declined to do.
    All of this is covered in great detail in E. Michael Jones's book, who is NOT a member of Opus Dei.
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #16 on: May 20, 2020, 08:17:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on May 20, 2020, 07:42:43 PM
    All of this is covered in great detail in E. Michael Jones's book, who is NOT a member of Opus Dei.

    Does E. Michael Jones discuss Opus Dei in his book? I seem to recall Randy Engel mentioning that he does not discuss Opus Dei. 
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #17 on: May 20, 2020, 10:09:06 PM »
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    • The gaping hole in E. Michael Jone’s intellect is his indifference to Catholic tradition and the True Mass.

    He writes and speaks for decades about the jews, but he’s never gone after the jew-popes or the Church’s suffering from ʝʊdɛօ-masonic infiltration?

    Why not?

    Because this would be threatening the world of Opus Dei.

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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #18 on: May 20, 2020, 10:31:38 PM »
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #19 on: May 20, 2020, 10:52:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on May 20, 2020, 07:42:43 PM
    E. Michael Jones [...] is NOT a member of Opus Dei.

    Did he explicitly say so? And if he did, do we have any reason to believe him, after all?
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #20 on: May 21, 2020, 06:11:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: Sam Smith on May 19, 2020, 11:01:33 PM
    Who is Tancred at Eponymous Flower?

    Church Militant will definitely not be sued by SSPX. In fact, SSPX is on the run from the continued bombshells being exposed.

    CM’s hit pieces are total garbage.  CM is also, rather hypocritically, sympathetic to perverts, since their leader is a pervert and he protects other perverts working for the operation (Simon Rafe).

    Voris and Niles will get what’s coming to them from God.

    Are you ever going to come clean about your ties to CM?
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #21 on: May 21, 2020, 09:06:25 AM »
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    • I can't get past one thing with Jones. He must have gotten his information on Voris from Fr. Nicholson. If so, then the seal of the confessional was violated.  As for OD, well Jones must be pretty close to someone for the amount of cooperation he got with private emails and Jones's once had an office in a OD property. Whether he is OD or not doesn't concern me. I want him to say in public that he and Fr. Nicholson were talking about things that Voris confessed to outside of the confessional. One more thing, does anyone know about the validity of the rumor that Fr. Nicholson was excommunicated as part of the fall out over the book?
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #22 on: May 21, 2020, 09:32:36 AM »
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    • Quote from: Struthio on May 20, 2020, 10:52:39 PM
    Did he explicitly say so? And if he did, do we have any reason to believe him, after all?
    http://culturewarsmagazine.com/2017/Engel.htm
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #23 on: May 21, 2020, 01:18:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 21, 2020, 09:32:36 AM
    http://culturewarsmagazine.com/2017/Engel.htm


    After 60 years of modernists betrayals and persecutions of Our Lord and traditional Catholics, Jones sees it this way:

    "The answer to all of these questions is the schismatic lack of charity that pervades traditionalist circles."

    :facepalm:
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #24 on: May 21, 2020, 02:23:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 21, 2020, 06:11:11 AM
     ...he protects other perverts working for the operation (Simon Rafe).
    What's the deal with Simon Rafe?  Some of his mannerisms always rubbed me the wrong way, but I didn't realize he had a track record similar to Voris. 
    We quit watching Church Militant shortly after he came out with the homo thing. 
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #25 on: May 21, 2020, 02:28:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: jen51 on May 21, 2020, 02:23:50 PM
    What's the deal with Simon Rafe?  Some of his mannerisms always rubbed me the wrong way, but I didn't realize he had a track record similar to Voris.
    We quit watching Church Militant shortly after he came out with the homo thing.



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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #26 on: May 21, 2020, 02:31:14 PM »
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    • Here's Verrecchio's take on why Voris suddenly became hostile against the SSPX.

    https://akacatholic.com/how-michael-voris-rolls/
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #27 on: May 21, 2020, 02:32:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 21, 2020, 01:18:37 PM

    After 60 years of modernists betrayals and persecutions of Our Lord and traditional Catholics, Jones sees it this way:

    "The answer to all of these questions is the schismatic lack of charity that pervades traditionalist circles."

    :facepalm:
    i don't buy into it- just providing an answer to the question, which was if Jones was a member of Opus Dei. He responded
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #28 on: May 21, 2020, 02:41:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 21, 2020, 02:31:14 PM
    Here's Verrecchio's take on why Voris suddenly became hostile against the SSPX.

    https://akacatholic.com/how-michael-voris-rolls/
    Well, there you go, that explains it all. It's a profit deal! 
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    Re: More on Voris
    « Reply #29 on: May 21, 2020, 06:42:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 21, 2020, 02:32:42 PM
    i don't buy into it- just providing an answer to the question, which was if Jones was a member of Opus Dei. He responded
    Yes, he responded well.

    But what is he?

    A Catholic spokesman defending consiliarism?

    He certainly doesn’t defend Catholic tradition.

    That’s the mystery of E. Micheal Jones.
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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi
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