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Offline Zeitun

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More Novelties in the SSPX?
« on: April 14, 2013, 02:31:34 PM »
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  • I cannot find an answer to this on my own:

    Is it licit for a priest to keep his maniple on and preach a sermon from the altar?  This is not an accident because it's happened multiple times by more than one priest at the same SSPX chapel.

    Thanks.


    Offline Raphaela

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    More Novelties in the SSPX?
    « Reply #1 on: April 14, 2013, 04:14:02 PM »
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  • That's a hot potato, zeitun!

    The sermon, notices and the reading of the Epistle and Gospel in English are not part of the Mass, so there is no ceremonial attached to them. But the Mass vestments (chasuble and maniple) can only be worn when saying Mass, so the priest should really remove them for the sermon, etc. Because it's complicated to do so, as least at a Low Mass, just the maniple is removed as a token gesture. But it should be removed. I don't know about where the priest should stand for preaching, though.

    The congregation shouldn't really stand for the Gospel in English, as it's officially just part of the sermon and was specifically only allowed on that condition, until Bugnini came along. But traditionalists are so used to standing, there's not much to be done. Perhaps it was something that came in under Pius XII to soften people up for having the Gospel read in the vernacular as part of the Mass, without the Latin.

    SSPX priests were sometimes doing that in the 1980's in Germany and Belgium, probably copying 1950's practices. I don't know if they still do, but one reason given was that on a Sunday, with the sermon as well, it was too long for the children if the Epistle and Gospel were read in Latin.

    (There is at least one SSPX priest who gets out of the standing problem by simply not reading the Gospel in English!)


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    More Novelties in the SSPX?
    « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2013, 04:28:35 PM »
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  • I'm sorry if the above post sounds a bit critical - I know we're fortunate to have the Mass at all. But it's a fact of life that the SSPX is largely French-run, and the French - like the Jesuits - just don't "do" liturgy. I'm just letting off steam!

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    More Novelties in the SSPX?
    « Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 11:10:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zeitun
    I cannot find an answer to this on my own:

    Is it licit for a priest to keep his maniple on and preach a sermon from the altar?  This is not an accident because it's happened multiple times by more than one priest at the same SSPX chapel.

    Thanks.

    Some do, some don't. Depending on which rubrics they follow.

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    More Novelties in the SSPX?
    « Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 02:03:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: trento

    Some do, some don't. Depending on which rubrics they follow.


    The problem is, the maniple isn't mentioned in any rubrics. Rubrics concern the ceremonial of Mass and as the sermon isn't part of the Mass, there are no rubrics for it. But priests didn't wear a maniple for preaching, just as they wouldn't wear a chasuble to hear Confessions.

    Things changed in 1964 with Inter Oecuмenici, the first Instruction implementing the VII docuмent on the liturgy. This lead to the "1965 Mass", with no Judica Me in the Preparation Prayers and no Last Gospel. Here, for the first time ever, the sermon became officially part of the Mass, so logically, priests would then have kept on the maniple to preach. (Wearing it become optional in 1967, then it disappeared in 1969 with the New Mass.)

    When the sermon became part of the Mass in 1964, priests were told in the Instruction that they must preach only on the Gospel or Epistle of the day or some other theme in the Proper of that day's Mass. That must have really wrecked Catholic preaching! No more instruction on the Faith or life of the Catholic. I wonder how the Cure d'Ars would have managed.


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    « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2013, 10:49:11 PM »
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  • Maybe he simply forgot to take it off?  Sometimes Fr. Pfeiffer used to leave his on.  I'd personally ask the priest if this really bothers you.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.