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« on: June 14, 2016, 11:46:11 AM »
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  • From the mailbag:


    Regarding the June 2016 meeting of SSPX superiors, during which they will discuss the latest proposal from Rome:

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    AMDG!
     
    Hi, Matthew ~
     
    I do know a little about the SSPX General Chapter, because [...].  The chapter will be held in or around Switzerland (I can't remember exactly where he told me) somewhere between June 25 and June 30.  I know that based on his travel dates... I suspect the meeting will be held June 26-28, because [he] intends to attend the ordinations in Econe on June 29, so it seems the meeting will have to be wrapped up by then.
     
    So, I think you could post for certain that the General Chapter is indeed going to take place sometime during the last week in June in Europe.
     
    I don't mind if you post this information, but I would appreciate it if you did not post my name.  [...]  I do hope you make this known, as I think it is extremely important to pray and offer sacrifices that God's Will be done at this meeting.  I'm disappointed (but not completely surprised) that the SSPX has not publicized the General Chapter and asked for prayers themselves.
     
    If you want to contact me to make sure I am legitimate, you can reach me at [...].

    In Our Lady,

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    « Reply #1 on: June 15, 2016, 02:51:38 PM »
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  • Why are they keeping a General Chapter meeting a secret?

    I'm getting damn tired of the SSPX acting like they are Bilderberg, or something.


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    « Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 01:24:34 PM »
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  • Just a couple more days until the big meeting...
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    « Reply #3 on: June 24, 2016, 02:06:01 PM »
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    I'm getting damn tired of the SSPX acting like they are Bilderberg, or something.


    I would say, essentially speaking, that the Fellay-led SSPX has always acted this way. Secrecy and obfuscation are well established Fellay traits.  It is like pulling teeth to get useful information and direction from Menzingen.  It is a private club.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 04:35:02 PM »
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  • EMAIL FROM FATHER GIROUARD TO HIS PARISHIONERS TODAY, ABOUT THE SECRET JUNE MEETING[/u]

    Dear parishioners,
     
    Somebody (anonymous) said his District Superior (country unspecified) is going to a special SSPX General Chapter in Menzingen to take place June 25-29. Why this is a secret meeting is anyone's guess. But remember that the 2012 General Chapter said that, in the event of a Rome agreement proposal, an Extraordinary General Chapter would have to be convoqued to study it and to give an answer to it. In view of all that happened in the last months, we could assume that this is what this secret meeting is about.
     
    Unless this is a preparatory meeting to get the "feel" of the Major Superiors, and/or to get a first tentative answer of the Society to a first tentative offer from Rome.
     
    In other words, there might be more of such secret meetings in a process of tweaking out the draft proposals from Rome. Then, after this process, Rome would present an official proposal, and the SSPX would have its official, non-secret, Extraordianry Chapter to give an official answer to this proposal. Prayers, possibly a novena to the Holy Ghost, or a fifth Rosary Crusade, would be set in motion, to make the faithful believe that they somehow can influence the outcome. But the outcome would already have been decided in the previous secret meetings. The Extraordinary G. Chapter (EGC) would be there just to rubber stamp the decision, and the prayers would be asked just to be able to say to the faithful that the EGC reached the decision wanted by God. Consequently, those who will refuse the agreement will be qualified as resisting God's Will.
     
    That's my two cents.
     
    Still, let us pray...
     
    God bless,
     
    Father


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    « Reply #5 on: June 25, 2016, 03:56:19 PM »
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  • From Non Possumus:

    KEY WEEK IN THE NEO-SSPX towards "full reconciliation" RECONCILE WITH CHURCH
    "This week seems to be key and could come to fruition acceptance of the Roman proposal of a personal prelature, which has been studied since July last year. We can confirm the following information in Argentina:

    1- The Director of the Seminary of La Reja, P. Davide Pagliarani, is to travel to Switzerland. So will the P. Trejo, District Superior. They will attend a meeting of Superiors to develop between 25 and 28 June.

    2-Today , Sunday 19 June announced at Masses the Priory of Bs. As. That next Thursday there will be MASSES IN THE PRIORY, because there will be no priest (despite having five in total). The reason was not given. Probably the priests go to a meeting, where they would be given the announcement of "recognition" thanks to the "mercy" of Francis. In the priories of Mexico, on the other hand, they are asking for prayers to St. Joseph to guide the participants of the meeting to make the best decision for the SSPX. Thursday would then be the "D Day" where you can specify and / or announce the members of the SSPX agreement, ie the peace treaty signed by the traitors, in other words: the defeat of the SSPX at the hands of modernists. It must be attentive to what happens in the coming days."
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    « Reply #6 on: June 25, 2016, 04:59:09 PM »
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    From Non Possumus:

    2-Today , Sunday 19 June ........ Thursday would then be the "D Day" where you can specify and / or announce the members of the SSPX agreement, ie the peace treaty signed by the traitors, in other words: the defeat of the SSPX at the hands of modernists. It must be attentive to what happens in the coming days."



    Wouldn't that have made the announcement due last Thurs, June 23? Or am I misunderstanding?

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    « Reply #7 on: June 25, 2016, 05:18:13 PM »
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    From Non Possumus:

    2-Today , Sunday 19 June ........ Thursday would then be the "D Day" where you can specify and / or announce the members of the SSPX agreement, ie the peace treaty signed by the traitors, in other words: the defeat of the SSPX at the hands of modernists. It must be attentive to what happens in the coming days."



    Wouldn't that have made the announcement due last Thurs, June 23? Or am I misunderstanding?


    I don't know what exactly they were trying to say, but I believe it was lost in translation. Keep in mind that Spanish, not English, is their first language.

    The first point clearly gives the date of the meeting "They will attend a meeting of Superiors to develop between 25 and 28 June." I doubt they would intentionally contradict themselves just one paragraph away. That isn't likely or logical to assume.

    No, if there is an announcement, it would have to be after the meeting.
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    « Reply #8 on: June 25, 2016, 06:38:09 PM »
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    From Non Possumus:

    2-Today , Sunday 19 June ........ Thursday would then be the "D Day" where you can specify and / or announce the members of the SSPX agreement, ie the peace treaty signed by the traitors, in other words: the defeat of the SSPX at the hands of modernists. It must be attentive to what happens in the coming days."



    Wouldn't that have made the announcement due last Thurs, June 23? Or am I misunderstanding?


    I don't know what exactly they were trying to say, but I believe it was lost in translation. Keep in mind that Spanish, not English, is their first language.

    The first point clearly gives the date of the meeting "They will attend a meeting of Superiors to develop between 25 and 28 June." I doubt they would intentionally contradict themselves just one paragraph away. That isn't likely or logical to assume.

    No, if there is an announcement, it would have to be after the meeting.


    This is because there was an update, the dates June 25 to 27 were posted afterward.

    This is the translation of the updated post:

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    KEY WEEK IN THE NEO-SSPX towards "full reconciliation" with the conciliar church –Meeting of Superiors in Switzerland.

    "This week seems to be key and could come to fruition acceptance of the Roman proposal of a personal prelature, which has been studied since July last year. We can confirm the following information in Argentina:

    1- The Director of the Seminary of La Reja, Fr.  Davide Pagliarani, is to travel to Switzerland. So will Fr. Trejo, District Superior. They will attend a meeting of Superiors to develop between 25 and 28 June

    2-Today , Sunday, June 19, it was announced at the Masses of the Priory of Bs. As. that next Thursday there will be no MASSES IN THE PRIORY, because there will be no priest (despite having five in total). The reason was not given. Probably the priests go to a meeting, where the announcement of the "recognition" could be given thanks to the "mercy" of Francis. In the priories of Mexico, on the other hand, they are asking for prayers to St. Joseph to guide the participants of the meeting to make the best decision for the SSPX.  We must be attentive to what happens in the coming days."



    http://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.mx/2016/06/semana-clave-en-la-neo-fsspx-hacia-la.html


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    « Reply #9 on: June 26, 2016, 07:48:52 AM »
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  • Quote from: Patricius

    In other words, there might be more of such secret meetings in a process of tweaking out the draft proposals from Rome. Then, after this process, Rome would present an official proposal, and the SSPX would have its official, non-secret, Extraordianry Chapter to give an official answer to this proposal. Prayers, possibly a novena to the Holy Ghost, or a fifth Rosary Crusade, would be set in motion, to make the faithful believe that they somehow can influence the outcome. But the outcome would already have been decided in the previous secret meetings. The Extraordinary G. Chapter (EGC) would be there just to rubber stamp the decision, and the prayers would be asked just to be able to say to the faithful that the EGC reached the decision wanted by God. Consequently, those who will refuse the agreement will be qualified as resisting God's Will.
     
    That's my two cents.
     
    Still, let us pray...
     
    God bless,
     
    Father


    Though the above is speculation from Fr. Girouard, it could indeed occur as described.

    At least we are forewarned that if a novena to the Holy Ghost, or fifth Rosary Crusade are set in motion after this upcoming secret meeting or meetings, then it is likely to be a deception by Menzingen (Bp. Fellay), in order to be able to say that the decision was wanted by God to reconcile with Rome, and that those who refuse will be resisting God's will. So sad.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    « Reply #10 on: June 26, 2016, 08:52:29 AM »
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  • If a rosary crusade were asked for it would seem to indicate that a formal announcement of reconciliation wouldn't take place at least for a year or so.  A novena would allow a prayer crusade and the announcement to to take place within the year of mercy.  





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    If a rosary crusade were asked for it would seem to indicate that a formal announcement of reconciliation wouldn't take place at least for a year or so.  A novena would allow a prayer crusade and the announcement to to take place within the year of mercy.  


    Sounds about right.  By the time the news breaks, it will most likely be the announcement that the "deal" had been made already, just like the news of the AFD in 2012.

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