Author Topic: More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran (Read 94290 times)

Matthew · « **Reply #90 on:** October 07, 2015, 12:17:43 AM »

It sure is curious how the first two pictures were taken at JUST THE RIGHT ANGLE so that the edge of the brown door (on the left) lines up perfectly with the pillar.

Standing in the exact same place, same angle, a year apart?

MaterDominici · « **Reply #91 on:** October 07, 2015, 12:29:50 AM »

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The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.

I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:

Perhaps the flash just washed out the brown color. It's certainly a strange image.

opus · « **Reply #92 on:** October 07, 2015, 12:53:22 AM »

Previously I provided a side-by-side picture of the two letters provided on Ambrose's website. First one is his Letter of Incardination, second one is the supposed letter from Bishop Borecky confirming Ambrose's appointment as Metropolitan-Archbishop.

Now I have superimposed one on top of the other. The two signatures are the same!!!!! (pardon my photoshop skill, but I got them as close in size as possible, but I think it proves beyond balance of probability)

How can this be? When people sign their name, there will always be small differences. It will not look exactly the same. Mithrandylan had a point about this might be a stamp of bishop's signature... I don't that's the case. If you ever want to, you can learn about different between handwritten signature and stamped signature --
http://www.maxrambod.com/_images/articles/_pdf/Recognize%20a%20Stamped%20or%20Printed%20Signature.pdf

I still maintain that the second letter of Bishop Borecky confirming Ambrose as Metropolitan-Archbishop is a FAKE. Any "bishop" that fools us with forged signature should not be trusted.

compline · « **Reply #93 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:11:14 AM »

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Sorry, DeKazel was ordained by 'Bishop Joseph Maria' or Bert Joseph Rauber who later joined St. Jovite. But obviously Moran was associated with Musey and DeKazel somehow. Is Gary Giuffre still alive and couldn't someone ask him?

This is a very good point. If Gary Giuffre had Moran visit his chapel and provide confirmations, he must have somehow been convinced of Moran's authenticity. Does anyone have contact info for Giuffre? I looked briefly online, but his websites are either very old or no longer working.

Matthew · « **Reply #94 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:19:38 AM »

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Sorry, DeKazel was ordained by 'Bishop Joseph Maria' or Bert Joseph Rauber who later joined St. Jovite. But obviously Moran was associated with Musey and DeKazel somehow. Is Gary Giuffre still alive and couldn't someone ask him?

This is a very good point. If Gary Giuffre had Moran visit his chapel and provide confirmations, he must have somehow been convinced of Moran's authenticity. Does anyone have contact info for Giuffre? I looked briefly online, but his websites are either very old or no longer working.

Yes, "somehow convinced" at least temporarily. That's the modus operandi of Ambrose Moran. He takes pictures, gets himself in all these places long enough to add to his scrapbook, and his scrapbook becomes part of his future "evidence" to convince future places that he's the real deal. The photos can't scream or talk, "We got rid of this guy! He's a fraud!"

His strategy is "quantity over quality". He bombards you with a bunch of convincing-at-first-glance "proof", mostly proof that would only convince a layman on an emotional level. He only needs to win the benefit of the doubt, long enough to get you to allow him in for a week or so (so he can get more pictures!) and then he moves on.

Right now, he could show add to his collection: He could be preaching/saying Mass at "SSPX-MC Pfeiffer Resistance Headquarters", standing next to the main building, and saying Mass for one of their groups in Colorado.

Do I need to repeat? Where was this man for the past 25 years? Trad Catholics have needed the services of a Trad bishop for a very long time. Where was he hiding up till recently? Why did he only come out of hiding, and end up at a dysfunctional place like Boston, KY (where the priest in charge has above-average Episcopal ambitions) and has an apostate right-hand-man like Pablo?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #95 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:36:12 AM »

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Quote from: John Steven
Quote from: MaterDominici
The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.

I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:

Perhaps the flash just washed out the brown color. It's certainly a strange image.

Or the door is open in the second one and maybe it's not the exact same picture.

Don · « **Reply #96 on:** October 07, 2015, 10:43:15 AM »

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Does anyone have contact info for Giuffre?

He put together the July-August 2015 issue of Chiesa viva so call the apostolate of Our Lady of Good success to ask.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #97 on:** October 07, 2015, 11:38:43 AM »

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Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: John Steven
Quote from: MaterDominici
The top 2 have a door to the left of the pillar and the same photo from the video does not.

I still see a door though blurry? I don't think I am following you, sorry. :confused1:

Perhaps the flash just washed out the brown color. It's certainly a strange image.

Or the door is open in the second one and maybe it's not the exact same picture.

Which would imply two separate photoshop efforts.

Colombiere · « **Reply #98 on:** October 07, 2015, 02:01:29 PM »

Has anyone looked up his Father as addresses to on the postcard, Charles Moran? If his parents are deceased there could be some obituaries that would list his siblings.

Matthew · « **Reply #99 on:** October 07, 2015, 02:24:10 PM »

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but on a Byzantine forum someone posted this:

Quote from: The Byzantine Forum

If you can bring yourself to watch and listen to the first of the youtube videos linked above, your head will spin.

Ambrose claims to have been in high school during VII (opened in 62, closed in 65). Ordained priest in 1974 and ordained to the episcopate in 1976 (fastest elevation in history, perhaps) to enter the USSR and ordain bishops for the UGCC in Ukraine. But, strangely he gets sent to the US - where he serves in Ruthenian and Ukrainian parishes and he's ordered by HB Joseph to help out the Latins (because why?) and, meantime, he's helping Fenton and the ORCM. "I was advised to head one of these jurisdictions" - what jurisdictions?

The man has an imagination beyond belief.

I reviewed several volumes of the Official Catholic Directory from the 70s and 80s and find no listing for him among the clergy. Likewise, I don't recollect any references to him in the histories of any Ruthenian or UGCC parish in the US during the period that he describes. He began to show up in occasional internet references in the early 21st century - with UAOC-C, then GOC, now he's going for SSPX Resistence.

He seems to have managed to get his picture taken in Rome (if indeed those are of him) - hard to do? Nope, definitely not in the 70s or 80s. Around that time, Eastern bishops, up to and including Patriarchs, were notoriously easily led into acceptance of all manner of clergy offering claims of their p resbyteral provenance and dressing the part - it's scary but it definitely happened, especially those who claimed to be jumping from some other, non-Catholic, jurisdiction (I suspect that the view was - thank goodness, we've saved another one).

The short of it - Ambrose is a bishop in his mind, and appears to have mastered his spiel very well, since he repeats it nearly perfectly from one time to the next (always a plus, lest someone realize the story's changed). He has an answer for everything, conveniently eludes some points - like his time with the GOC, has no names for 2 of his 3 episcopal consecrators.

The man is a classic vagante.

Many years,

Neil

http://www.byzcath.org/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/413164/Re:_Info_on_Archbishop_Ambrose

cathman7 · « **Reply #100 on:** October 07, 2015, 08:58:07 PM »

Scroll down and more photos have been posted in the timelines. There are three photos with what looks like a Franciscan brother who apparently was affiliated with Fr. Ward. It looks like an older photo and doesn't look photoshopped.

cathman7 · « **Reply #101 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:00:34 PM »

cathman7 · « **Reply #102 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:02:33 PM »

Another photo

Centroamerica · « **Reply #103 on:** October 08, 2015, 12:26:38 PM »

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What is the purpose of this topic? Why do we need more information about this "bishop?" What is the end game? Is there an end game? I am personally astonished that it has received so much attention. :confused1:

I agree with that. I would be quite happy if the fellow turns out to be the real thing. but it seems that a lot of folks don't want him to be.

There appears to be a lot of general evidence that he may be and from what I have seen nothing conclusive to say that he isn't.

There are more important issues related to Kentucky than this man.

I would be excited if he was the real thing, but I am almost sure he is not. The photo shopped picture with Cardinal Slipij is what did it for me. It's kind of a pretty big deal if he is offering Mass for the faithful, especially if he is a fraud.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #104 on:** October 08, 2015, 12:28:24 PM »

The obvious, and in your face, end game is Bishop Pfeiffer vs. Bishop Williamson.