No, the case is not closed.  This is the thread that never dies.  I am beginning to suspect that Matthew likes the view numbers (approaching 50,000).  It makes people believe, perhaps, that there are more people following the topics on Cathinfo than actually are, that the Cathinfo population is much larger than it actually is.   I suspect Matthew will take umbrage at my remarks.  I hope he does.  

You suspect I'll take umbrage...and you even HOPE I do? What, are you a troll? That's a textbook definition of trolling, BTW.

I think people know the truth, that the view numbers are just how many times the thread has been viewed. I would be the last one to claim that CathInfo has 50,000 readers. I have never inflated CathInfo's importance, numbers, traffic or anything else and you know it. Perhaps you're confusing me with a certain unemployed hobo who thinks he's the Great Monarch?

Obviously any thread like this is clicked on multiple times by each interested person, to read (or check for) the latest posts.

You, on the other hand, have been opposed for your strange opposition to this "Find the truth about Ambrose" project on several occasions (I remember well, since I just trimmed the Ambrose thread. Your posts along these lines were among those "trimmed")

I know, there are more problems in Boston besides Ambrose. I agree with that much. But Ambrose is the BIGGEST problem at the moment. Fake sacraments is about as serious as it gets for a Trad organization.

If you were getting ready to be wheeled into the OR and the Cardiologist presented these similar credentials would you allow him to cut into you?  Not so sure why people would entrust their immortal soul to such a man as this.

Mary Help of Christians... Pray for us.

Good point.

If he just showed you a bunch of pictures of him cutting into people (nevermind that all his patients died -- the pictures give the appearance that he did several successful open heart surgeries).

And the only hospitals/medical boards you were able to contact were either negative "stay away from him, he's a fraud" or neutral "I don't know him".

And his degree and medical board certification look
"doctored" (pardon the pun!)

But not a single medical authority, doctor, nurse, orderly, hospital official, or medical board member has vouched that this man is indeed a legit doctor.

Not good.

Thus far my analogy. Going back to the actual situation...

It can't be emphasized enough how ridiculous it is, and how true it is, that not a single person has come forward to vouch for Ambrose Moran as a legit priest or bishop. No former parishioner, nothing. Why can't we hear from ONE former parishioner? There should be hundreds or thousands of them; they can't all be dead or unavailable. Probably because they all found out at some point he was a fraud. That's why he had to keep packing up his tent and moving on, in the dead of night like a classic "fly by night". He is always somewhere different from month to month, and year to year.

Ambrose claims to have been ordained in 1974. That's 41 years ago -- a long time to be a priest. Where was he during all those years? What flock did he serve? Didn't he get to know anyone?

You can forget about time spent underground behind the Iron Curtain. He didn't go, period. Nevermind that going there was the rationale for his so-called consecration. For some mysterious reason (certainly not lack of need! Communism was alive and well, even on the surface/officially, until 1991) he decided to cool his jets in safe, cozy American suburbia instead. What the heck?

Fr. Zendejas has been a priest since 1989, and he knows TONS of people, has tons of "fans", and people who would vouch for him. He led several pilgrimages in Mexico years ago, and one German lady at my independent chapel apparently attended one of them, had fond memories of it, and showed me a picture from that event a couple weeks ago.  She wanted to show it to Fr. Zendejas. It's a small world!

But he was a real priest with an active ministry (Ridgefield, Houston, etc.) Apparently Ambrose Moran spent years at a time bumming around at his mother's apartment, not doing any kind of work because his mom was supporting him. But 41 years is a lot of time! Didn't he endear himself to ANY people at ANY chapels of ANY kind during those 4 decades?

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I suspect Matthew will take umbrage at my remarks.  I hope he does.  

You suspect I'll take umbrage...and you even HOPE I do? What, are you a troll?
That's a textbook definition of trolling, BTW.

So THAT'S what it means?!   :tv-disturbed:   :surprised:

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Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky.  Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko.  They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.

What are those missions going to do about that?  Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.

A classic case of "out of the frying pan, into the fire".

Bishop Fellay compromises the Faith for the sake of his group, money, numbers, the big seminary he wants to build, etc.

Fr. Pfeiffer overlooks all the problems surrounding him, excusing them for the sake of his group, money, numbers, the seminary he wants to build, etc.

Both men ignore any evidence or criticism against them, distort the facts, or even outright lie in some cases when they are backed into a corner or confronted by a well-educated layman. I have heard from individuals who have caught Fr. Pfeiffer in actual lies. Father seems to believe that the ends justify the means!

He needs prayers, that's for sure.

However serious the problems in the SSPX, having an apostate intimately involved with day-to-day seminary operations, lack of proper environment and training in a seminary, as well as embracing a con-artist as a bishop, and rejecting (2) real Trad bishops... those things are grave as well.

At best, you might attend Mass with Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko. But you shouldn't support their seminary ambition -- it's a doomed enterprise. If you want to help form the next generation of priests and God gave you the means, there are other seminaries much more worthy of your support (in the Resistance, I mean)

And a Catholic *certainly* should stay home rather than attend "mass" with Mr. Ambrose Moran (if that is indeed his real name). He's a con man, a layman, and can't forgive sins, confect the Blessed Sacrament or offer the Holy Sacrifice.

A Catholic must always reject doubtful sacraments. This is Church teaching. That's why we reject the Novus Ordo! That's why we're all Traditional Catholics in the first place.

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Perhaps there is a perception that Ambrose is only an isolated problem in Kentucky. Considering the number of people fleeing the OLMC parish I'd say the bigger problem is for the 50 or so missions serviced by Fr Pfeiffer and Fr Hewko. They are now in communion with "Ambrose" because their "pastors" are in communion with him.

What are those missions going to do about that? Even +Fellay & Co isn't in communion with Orthodox frauds, to my knowledge.

Are there really 50 missions served by Fr. Pfeiffer?  That is hard to imagine.  Of course, Ambrose is as phony as a four dollar bill.  That fact has been shown, and proven, I think, ad nauseum
Of course, Fr. P. realizes this.  How can he not?  But the problem, as I see it anyway, is how do you defuse a priest, who may well be turning into a desperate fanatic?  Father is cornered.  How does he get out of that corner?  I doubt that he's going to roll over and say he was wrong.  I doubt that he is going to willingly abandon his original mission.  No, I think we may see a Fr. Pfeiffer who doubles down, (as fanatics often do in the face of imminent threats).  The man is not without rhetorical gifts.  I may be entirely wrong, but just watch this priest crank it up rhetorically a couple of notches in the future. :tinfoil:

The solution is for the missions to immediately stop requesting his services.

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This prediction has turned out to be 100% accurate:

Of course, Fr. P. realizes this.  How can he not?  But the problem, as I see it anyway, is how do you defuse a priest, who may well be turning into a desperate fanatic?  Father is cornered.  How does he get out of that corner?  I doubt that he's going to roll over and say he was wrong.  I doubt that he is going to willingly abandon his original mission.  No, I think we may see a Fr. Pfeiffer who doubles down, (as fanatics often do in the face of imminent threats).  The man is not without rhetorical gifts.  

I may be entirely wrong, but just watch this priest crank it up rhetorically a couple of notches in the future. :tinfoil:

The last post in this thread (above) was written the same day that Ambrose was delivering his 'sermon' which later would be blamed as the reason that he was going to be asked not to come back (for a while at least).  

In the sermon he gave on Oct. 31st he is quoted as having said that the Boston KY seminary was canonically erected.  No one has been able to say what Ambrose meant by that:  whether he was confused, or whether he had intended to say something else, or whether he was thinking that he himself had done something or was about to do something to effect this canonical status.  

In any case, over the course of the past 12 days that sermon and those words have turned into a convenient coat-hook on which to hang the news that Ambrose is no longer (at least for a while) going to be welcome at OLMC seminary or any of their many missions elsewhere.

There has been no hint of apology from Fr. Pfeiffer for having made any mistake in judgment, and there has been no hint of admission that any of Ambrose/Moran's so-called sacraments may have been invalid.  

Who is Fr. Pfeiffer's confessor?

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WHAT???

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Maybe I misread or overlooked something, but I see nothing objectionable or shocking in the piece you point to.  What bothers you about it?

This theological study is VERY well done and powerful. Fr. Ortiz has done a great service to the Catholic world.

It really takes an objective look at the whole situation, breaking everything down and looking at it from the perspective of Catholic doctrine.