Author Topic: More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran (Read 101176 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #280 on:** October 28, 2015, 03:38:08 PM »

Quote from: Colombiere

... It's odd to me that the first signature seems to try to write the capital letter I with the loops, sort of, and then completely ignores copying the rest of the second signature.

I thought the same thing. It's almost like he gave up trying after the first letter was so difficult. That would also explain the gaps in the second example, where the signer may have been stopping to check how the next letter ought to appear, even if rendering a close imitation would be to much trouble.

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Matthew · « **Reply #281 on:** October 28, 2015, 04:21:56 PM »

Again, I'd like to point out just how DIFFERENT the various pictures of Ambrose are.

Each picture a different place, a different "look", even a different Rite in some cases. This man will go where the money is.

Look at him in Boston, KY right now (on the 30 days in Boston site). He looks *totally* different from any of his past pictures. Now he's playing the Trad Bishop. He has a purple cassock, which assaults our Trad senses with the apparent reality "I'm a bishop".

Just like it would take you aback if I was carrying around some unconsecrated hosts before Mass. If you went too much on "appearances", such things would throw you off more than usual. If your mind was more simplistic, "see a host, worship God" it would bother you more. But other people might do more thinking habitually -- has this been consecrated during a valid Mass? etc. before you go into "adoration" mode.

Reason is SO much more error proof than feelings and the senses. Think of a priest who grew up on emotion and sense. What happens when he starts to experience dryness? What happens when he starts to handle sacred things on a regular basis -- for example, the altar bread and Consecrated Hosts? He will notice just how similar they are, and he might have doubts about his Faith, and Transubstantiation in particular. If his faith didn't have an intellectual or "pure reason" dimension, his Faith is toast.

I could put on a purple cassock; it wouldn't make me a bishop. Let's not replace reason, truth and reality with emotion, senses, and appearances.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #282 on:** October 28, 2015, 07:04:37 PM »

Quote from: Colombiere

I don't know if it's been uploaded on here but Bishop Kirkland's Orthodox certicate of consecration is available online. It's on the same stationary and has the same address and phone number as Moran's ordination paper. Ilnyckyj's signature can be compaired on those two docuмents if anyone wants to.

Can you give a link to this? I tried to find it without success.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #283 on:** October 28, 2015, 07:30:03 PM »

I found it now. Of course the signature doesn't match at all.

What is the same is that not only is this the same stationery, but it's EXACTLY the same -- note the blotches on the upper left and right X's.

Colombiere · « **Reply #284 on:** October 28, 2015, 09:16:56 PM »

Do the official printed headings on both certificates say Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church? I google translated the printed part and between Serbian, Ukrainian, and Russian that's what it looks like to me. Can anybody read it? I would think the translation is what's underneath the heading on Bishop Kirkland's certificate. Right?