Author Topic: More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran (Read 94644 times)

Colombiere · « **Reply #240 on:** October 15, 2015, 09:59:13 PM »

Does anyone know Fr. Hewko's hometown? I remember that he's Ukrainian and I believe from New York and about 45-50 years old. I'm not sure of his age but I'd like someone to ask him if he has any personal memory of Ambrose Moran. I'd also like to know if Ambrose Moran actually met Archbishop Lefebvre and if there is a photo. Did he know Fr. Malachi Martin who also lived in New York and supported the "underground Church"? Can he release his mother's maiden name and his Serbian or Ukrainian lineage. I believe these are his paternal grandparents:

Name    William F. Moran
Spouse's Name    Alvina Panela
Event Date    15 Oct 1901
Event Place    Manhattan, New York, New York
Father's Name    Henry Moran
Mother's Name    Bridget Mcbride
Spouse's Father's Name    John Panela
Spouse's Mother's Name    Adele ...

So if this info is correct his father was 50% Irish and is the Panela Italian, Greek, or Portuguese? His baptismal certificate should certainly be available from the Church and it would confirm whether he was "born" Catholic or Orthodox. I'm presuming his Eastern Rite is courtesy of his mother.

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #241 on:** October 15, 2015, 10:09:19 PM »

I'm getting the impression from all these investigations that Ambrose can be whatever religion you need him to be. Rent a priest. Rent a bishop. He seems really light on doctrine.

But I don't believe he's a bishop of any church.

PG · « **Reply #242 on:** October 15, 2015, 11:09:38 PM »

ecclesiae - That video you posted on the te deum by pablo was interesting. After pablo says God will raise up a bishop converted from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ he says, "and there will be four new sign posts on the road into hell". What do you think that means?

Do you think it could mean this? "There will be four new signposts on the road into hell, and they will read: one, holy, catholic, and apostolic."

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #243 on:** October 16, 2015, 10:03:43 AM »

I received a reply from the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. It was an email. I am pasting it here:

Quote

Dear [Clemens Maria],
Your are the third person this week who is inquiring about William Basil Ambrose Moran.

It would be appreciate that if there is some formal investigation regarding the status if this individual, that a formal inquiry be made to this office.

I submit to you 2 docuмents

1) attests to his ordination to the priesthood. The letterhead states Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox by the Grace of Kiev.

Therefore, he would have been ordained into the Orthodox Autocephalous Church.

The letter with protocol # 2/75 (on the website) was a letter of accepting Fr. Ambrose as a priest to sevre in the Eparchy. It is NOT a letter of incardination. Canon law has specific procedures for official transference of incardination.

Fr. Ambrose is NOT and has NEVER BEEN incardinated to this Eparchy.

Another letter allegedly from Bishop Isidore to Ambrose. Is suspect.

It has no protocol number. It is dated Aug. 26, 1976 A later letter dated June 30, 1980 is signed by "Fr." Moran.

I also submit to you copies of Bishop Isidore's signature written on 3 different occasions. You could compare the signature of that letter with Bishop Isidore's authentic signature.

2) The second letter (attached) was received by Bishop Isidore
Dated June 30, 1980.
Here "Fr. " Moran revealed that he has submitted to the Orthodox Church

Evidently there is a docuмent stating that Patriarch Slypyj and Bishop Isidore consecrated Ambrose.

The attached signatures could help authenticate or discredit that docuмent.

Sincerely,

Rt. Rev. Bohdan Bilinsky

I'm attaching the 2 docuмents referenced.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #244 on:** October 16, 2015, 10:05:38 AM »

I also have the docuмent containing the signatures. However, I'm not sure if I should post it. I don't want William Moran to have access to these signatures. But if the signatures are already available on the web, it wouldn't matter. Does anyone know? Any thoughts on this issue?

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #245 on:** October 16, 2015, 10:09:47 AM »

He told me that the four signposts on the road into hell are the 4 bishops of the SSPX. The message to Bishop Williamson is: that Bishop Williamson himself will be also one of the signposts on the rod into hell, because he did not consecrate a new bishop! But then he was happy that the bishop obeyed his warning and consecrated a new bishop (bishop Faure).

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #246 on:** October 16, 2015, 10:16:39 AM »

So I think we have proved that William Moran is not a Catholic priest. We haven't yet proved that he is not a priest at all. But he was not ever, is not now, and almost certainly never will be a Catholic priest. At best he is a schismatic priest. But I have my doubts about that too. We know that in the mid 70s he was associated with Fr. Ropke who was Catholic. We have pictures of that. So my theory is that he was in the Catholic seminary with Fr. Ropke (who was not yet ordained when the pictures were taken). He most likely was kicked out of the seminary. So he then forged the Orthodox docuмents and tried to get into the Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Toronto based on that. When that failed, he entered the Orthodox Church of America. He probably got kicked out of that too. Somewhere along the line he started pretending to be a bishop. All the time he had been living with his parents in NY. I would not be surprised if he did work as a janitor at some point. Basically he has been bouncing all around both in Orthodox and Catholic circles weaving an intricate web of lies which have fooled a lot of people.

LucasL · « **Reply #247 on:** October 16, 2015, 10:30:57 AM »

Moran may use the docuмent in a bad way.

We are doing the job Fr Hewko and Fr Pfeiffer should have done , by the way

LucasL · « **Reply #248 on:** October 16, 2015, 10:33:52 AM »

Actually in 1980 Ambrose admitted that he was not a Bishop as we suspected. There's not a single docuмent proving he was/is bishop and even if he was, he is schismatic and does not care about Dom Lefebvre. He just want someone to pay his bills

LucasL · « **Reply #249 on:** October 16, 2015, 12:38:49 PM »

Quote from: covet truth

Quote from: irirfleo
We are doing the job Fr Hewko and Fr Pfeiffer should have done , by the way

Amen to that!

Let's hope they remember the work of Matthew (so Fr. Pfeiffer don't come with these theory that "we are being persecuted) and many people here who posted information, contacted these Orthodox Churches and everyone who investigated the Ambrose past. (not including myself, I just reposted what was here before I arrived).

I'm just saying the truth: you guys investigated Ambrose past, not anyone else.

Cathinfo should do a mythbusters episode on Ambrose

Colombiere · « **Reply #250 on:** October 16, 2015, 12:54:34 PM »

Clemens Maria
I looked for Bishop Borecky's signatures after I first read the 1976 letter. I couldn't find any online. I don't think you should publish them. But please give us your analysis. Are the signatures handwritten and do they have variations? The 1976 Toronto letter seems as though it is overloaded with info. When I first read it I expected a P.S. like "Archbishop Lefebvre sends his regards"!

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #251 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:01:03 PM »

Quote from: + PG +

clemens maria - In your opinion , do those real +isidore signatures you got make the ones ambrose is using look like fakes? I wouldn't post them just yet.

I'm more inclined to follow obediens' advice. The only sig that Moran doesn't already have is +Dimitri's. So I don't think there is any harm in posting them. I took a look at opus' post again and compared Moran's docuмent to what UCET sent me and I can confirm that the UCET sig for +Borecky is noticeably different from Moran's docuмent. But it isn't so different that you wouldn't recognize it. So I think Moran had an authentic sig from +Borecky which he forged onto the docuмent to make it look like +Borecky was recognizing him as a bishop. I believe opus' analysis is vindicated.

So unless someone can offer a good reason for me not to post the signatures, I will do that later today.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #252 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:03:58 PM »

I'm open to different opinions on whether to post or not. Maybe Matthew can allow me to email him the sigs and he can forward it to opus or someone who he trusts to do a good job of comparing the UCET sig to Moran's docuмent.

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #253 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:07:30 PM »

If the sig was exactly the same as Moran's, I would be inclined to believe the stamped sig theory but because they are different, I don't think +Borecky was using stamps.

PG · « **Reply #254 on:** October 16, 2015, 01:08:51 PM »

It is also interesting that Moran also used the religious name Basil in that 1980 letter.