Author Topic: More info about Mr Bishop Ambrose Moran (Read 89755 times)

PG · « **Reply #15 on:** September 30, 2015, 04:43:36 PM »

Who were the sspx priests stationed in oyster bay in the 1970s? Fr. Kelly was one of them. Fr. cekada was there as early as 1979(his bio says). Who were the other priests who would know details about this fr. bill moran story?

PG · « **Reply #16 on:** September 30, 2015, 10:38:28 PM »

I have an update. I spoke with Bp. Sanborn on the phone today, and he is fairly up to date on this new ambrose situation. I asked him about the fr. william bill moran situation from 1976, and he does remember it, but vaguely. He was not able to provide any details about it, due to it being so long ago. But, it's better than nothing. I told him I am trying to phone Bp. Kelly about it, but he said that likely won't be successful. He said I should write him a letter instead. And, that he might be interested in this being that fr. ward has been caught in this. The fr. ward involvement is a real surprise.

He did tell me however that only he and fr. Kelly were stationed in oyster bay NY area during the time. He said that there were no seminarians who were with them during that time, so we really got lucky with recusant's(from te deum forum) connection to the fr. bill moran event. It must have just been related to the confirmation occasion.

Bp. Sanborn did tell me one very interesting thing. He knows an "old" ukrainian priest who I think he said is part of tradition. And, this ukrainian priest said he knew +slipyj or knew enough about him to say that +slipyj would NEVER have consecrated a dual right bishop. He said that +slipyj was "against everything roman". I think that is what Bp. Sanborn said. So, now that detail of ambrose moran's story doesn't line up with what others say. And, there is no history about the guy other than his "dokuments".

If it weren't for the fact that this guy convinced Fr. Ward of his story, and ordaining a priest and confirmed for him, I would probably say that this guy is just a lone wolf con man. But, due to the fact that he has stayed afloat all these years, with such a story, does leads me to believe that he is funded to do this.

cathman7 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 01, 2015, 03:55:28 AM »

Quote from: + PG +

I have an update. I spoke with Bp. Sanborn on the phone today, and he is fairly up to date on this new ambrose situation. I asked him about the fr. william bill moran situation from 1976, and he does remember it, but vaguely. He was not able to provide any details about it, due to it being so long ago. But, it's better than nothing. I told him I am trying to phone Bp. Kelly about it, but he said that likely won't be successful. He said I should write him a letter instead. And, that he might be interested in this being that fr. ward has been caught in this. The fr. ward involvement is a real surprise.

He did tell me however that only he and fr. Kelly were stationed in oyster bay NY area during the time. He said that there were no seminarians who were with them during that time, so we really got lucky with recusant's(from te deum forum) connection to the fr. bill moran event. It must have just been related to the confirmation occasion.

Bp. Sanborn did tell me one very interesting thing. He knows an "old" ukrainian priest who I think he said is part of tradition. And, this ukrainian priest said he knew +slipyj or knew enough about him to say that +slipyj would NEVER have consecrated a dual right bishop. He said that +slipyj was "against everything roman". I think that is what Bp. Sanborn said. So, now that detail of ambrose moran's story doesn't line up with what others say. And, there is no history about the guy other than his "dokuments".

If it weren't for the fact that this guy convinced Fr. Ward of his story, and ordaining a priest and confirmed for him, I would probably say that this guy is just a lone wolf con man. But, due to the fact that he has stayed afloat all these years, with such a story, does leads me to believe that he is funded to do this.

To be fair, I don't think it is true +Slipyj was against everything Roman. I have a book, Confessor Between East and West: A Portrait of Ukrainian Cardinal Josyf Slipyj ,which doesn't seem to paint that picture. He was a big supporter of St. Thomas Aquinas. I am not saying you are necessarily wrong but that it doesn't seem to be the case. Nevertheless, what you wrote was interesting.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802836720/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0802836720&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

Ladislaus · « **Reply #18 on:** October 01, 2015, 05:23:02 AM »

Perhaps being against "Romanizations" in the Ukrainian Rite was interpreted as being against everything Roman. I don't see how one can be a good Catholic and at the same time hostile to things Roman. There were over the years various Roman customs that have crept into the Ukrainian Rite (good things IMO). So, for example, in the West at least, until very recently the Ukrainians would kneel during the Canon whereas most Byzantine Rites stand. Also the Ukrainians use confessionals (vs. confession in front of icons) and have Stations of the Cross in many of their churches.

Quasimodo · « **Reply #19 on:** October 01, 2015, 08:22:09 AM »

When did "bishop" Moran convert back from Orthodox?

From:
http://www.archbishopgregory.info/chapter_41_reception_ab_ambrose.shtml

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Two weeks later, on Sunday, November 18, 2007, Archbishop Ambrose was received into the Church by joint agreement of Archbishop Gregory of the GOC of America and Archbishop Makarios of the GOC of Greece. The reception of Archbishop Ambrose took place in the Cathedral of the Dormition before all the faithful, where he made his renunciation in public and was chrismated back into the Church.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 01, 2015, 08:41:06 AM »

He claimed that he had some associations with them in order to "convert" them.

Quasimodo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2015, 08:58:16 AM »

As recently as 2008 he was Orthodox.

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Therefore, confessing and espousing Orthodoxy with all my soul, I am entering hereto, as a genuine and faithful son!” Signed: + Archbishop Ambrose of New York --November 5, 2007.

He left the GOC in 2008.

PG · « **Reply #22 on:** October 02, 2015, 11:54:08 PM »

I am going to let the cat out of the bag. I have been working on this lead for the past week, but I don't have the time or desire to finish and piece all this together myself. So here you go.

Here is what I believe is going on. Bishop ambrose moran is the "school janitor" that fr. clarence kelly discovered and concluded ordained fr. bill moran from the 1976 hunting NY investigation when Bill tried to join the sspx. I believe that ambrose moran and fr. bill morans are brothers. I believe that Ambrose moran is using the old photos of his brother fr. bill moran as his own today.

And, I believe this because I spoke with fr. bill moran last saturday. He exists, and he is not ambrose. He is still living in hunting long island NY. He works as a priest for citi ministries, which is an organization for married and liberal x catholic priests. Check out there website. He refused to hear and answer my questions, but he did confirm his identity. You will see his phone number and email address on their website.

I believe bill was born in 1952, and that is only three years off of ambrose morans birthdate of 1949. What are the odds? Two catholic clerics from the same town born around the same time with the same exact name is too suspicious. They would have bumped into each other eventually, which could explain the fact for why ambrose moran knew the "school janitor" rumor that had to do with fr. bill moran. Or, he knows the rumor/story because he is his brother, and is the janitor(that he mentioned in his sermon). Fr. kelly and fr. sanborn were the only priests involved at the time. Luckily, another seminarian knew and remembered it. So, there is a connection between ambrosen and fr. bill. I think it is more than likely that they are brothers. That is my hunch, and I am calling it right now.

I also believe they are brothers because it explains why ambrose has all those pictures from the orcm days. ambrose moran is using photos of fr. bill moran, because brothers look alike, and he can get away with it. This explain why all the photos from the orcm "late 70s" show "bishop ambrose" only as a priest, and not a bishop. It is because it was not ambrose, but his brother bill, who was only regarded as a priest(if he is one at all). This also makes the photoshop claims for his bishop pictures more believable. Because, if we can excuse the priestly pics(1970s newspaper), we no longer have to give benefit of doubt to the others. And, one of his pictures is clearly not him. The picture in the upper left hand of the +slipyj with ambrose photo is a different guy(and old guy) with a grey beard, but in the same vestments.

I am in the process of contacting the rockwell long island diocese to find informaton about bill moran. I am awaiting a call back. All that I want and need to know about bill moran, is WHO ORDAINED HIM. Perhaps I will email citi ministries this direct question, because they have not called me back this second time. I spoke with them once, but they haven't called me back, and I am just too busy to wait on them.

So, have at it guys. I am somewhat checking out of this. Boston KY is a red light. I have other things I have to do. These guys are con men. Ambrose might not even be a bishop. And Bill moran might not be a priest. It may take a lot of work to uncover that. So, we need more workers. It is taking to long by myself. So, join in. We will eventually get the facts.

PG · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2015, 12:51:44 AM »

Citi ministries does background checks into the priests they associate with. And, they conduct their background checks through bishopaccountability.com. So, fr. bill moran has to have some legitimate looking docuмentation, and at least docuмentation showing that he is "william"(bill is his casual name). I spoke with the guy who runs bishopaccountability, and he is very interested in the case, and is following. Ultimately he may be of help because of his credentials. Citi ministries would drop fr. bill if they find out he is not a priest, and ordained by a school janitor. The story might be enough to get them to dig deeper.

obediens · « **Reply #24 on:** October 03, 2015, 07:53:05 AM »

Is this man James DeKazel or Moran? Taken from DeKazel's "Shrine of St. Jude" website.

PG · « **Reply #25 on:** October 03, 2015, 12:36:39 PM »

One thing that I wanted to mention when I first viewed some of his orthodox pictures in light of photoshop claims is, that all these schismatic orthodox guys look the same. They all have a huge dark beards, long hair, black robes, and all their diets consists of bread day in and day out. And, ambrose has been and I recon still is a schismatic orthodox. That is my two cents. I don't place much faith(if at all any) in ambrose' pictures.

Matthew · « **Reply #26 on:** October 03, 2015, 12:43:10 PM »

Thank you +PG+, may God bless you for your love of, and dedication to, the truth.

I hope others have the time/inclination to pick up where you left off. We're all after the truth here. Unfortunately, not all of us have enough time to do the legwork necessary to get to the bottom of it.

Some of us can only put a red checkmark on this (like marking something wrong on a child's homework) -- not everyone has the time or ability to fill in the correct answer.

The truth is the only thing that's going to help any of us -- and that includes Fr. Pfeiffer and those who depend on his Masses. If the truth is that his man is a fraud, the WHOLE CATHOLIC WORLD will be better off if this is brought to light. ESPECIALLY Fr. Pfeiffer and those who depend on him.

I'm sure some will simplistically, emotionally tag you as a "bad guy" because you're "against my team" and "working for the other side" and all that nonsense...but those with thinking brains know better. Truth comes first. It always must.

In your labors so far, you have proven yourself to be the best friend of Fr. Pfeiffer (even if he doesn't know it!) because you are working for his good as well. What priest wants to be taken in by a fraudulent bishop!

You're doing this for Father's own good, as well as the good of Catholic Tradition.

Matthew · « **Reply #27 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:23:11 PM »

Maybe try this image search website:

https://www.tineye.com/

Can you believe that computers can search for IMAGES now, just like they can search for text? I think even if you re-compress it or make it a bit different, if it LOOKS the same, this program will catch it.

It's a good way to see if anyone is stealing your images.

PG · « **Reply #28 on:** October 03, 2015, 01:46:02 PM »

Matthew - you are the man. We you use that site for all of his photos with +slipyj too.

Matthew · « **Reply #29 on:** October 03, 2015, 04:39:24 PM »

Quote from: + PG +

Here is something I find suspicious. Why is ambrose' 1985-88 picture with john paul 2 a black and white picture? By 1988 surely all vatican photographers would be using color photo cameras. Is his picture black and white on purpose to mask the fact that it is photoshop and the colors/lighting don't match?

Good point. When I look at pictures of my childhood -- which took place in the 1980's -- NONE of them are black and white, and we weren't a rich family (quite the contrary).

I mean seriously! It's not the 1950's.

1950's ... 1980's
1980's ... 1950's

See the difference?

There's a huge difference between Leave it to Beaver and Terminator II. Or "oldies" Rock and the synth pop music of the 80's.
Or Ronald Reagan the actor, and Ronald Reagan the president.

How can someone mix the two up like that?

It reminds me of a movie I saw (I can't remember the movie), I believe it was a comedy, where a man entered the scene where the main character was, and he narrated, "So and so. We go way back." And then the movie switched to a black and white flashback -- of that character entering the scene just a few seconds ago! I thought that was hilarious.