Bishop Fellay could be countered by the other two loyal Bishops refusing to attend.  

That would be a mistake.  The bishops need to use their positions in the SSPX to resist this, not avoid conflict.

Who knows what threats and dirty tricks could be employed?

After all we're talking about the East German with Mossad ties here.

Contingency plan abandoned!

Once again, loose lips from Cathinfo members at my parish force me to abandon plans.

I'm sorry this happened  :surprised:

Contingency plan abandoned!

Once again, loose lips from Cathinfo members at my parish force me to abandon plans.

Less than 24 hours!

Contingency plan abandoned!

Once again, loose lips from Cathinfo members at my parish force me to abandon plans.

Ah! traitorous spirits among us, is that what you are saying?

It is best to formulate plans privately and wait to see what happens and who ends up where. Then you can strategize with allies whom you can trust.
Our good God will give us the means and the way to continue.

Quote from: Seraphim

Contingency plan abandoned!

Once again, loose lips from Cathinfo members at my parish force me to abandon plans.

I don't understand.  Were you identified and reported to Fr Rostand, or was the priest at your chapel not sympathetic to your plans, or what ?

In any case, I think it is still prudent to make contingency plans at local chapels.  We do not know yet who will go along with any deal and who will follow whatever organisation comes out from all this intact; any priest currently assigned to a chapel may end up providing the sacraments half way across the world from his current apostolate.  That is something that has crossed my mind a few times, that it is better to secure the concrete means than contacting or relying on this or that priest, since a priest may often commute to his chapel, or else a priest may be willing to continue serving the faithful of his chapel but have nowhere to stay or to say Mass.  And if the latter is obtained, one of the bishops could be contacted and a priest might be sent several times a month.  But without the initiative of a concrete organisation, it seems like everything would unravel.  

Furthermore, since often times many chapel-goers are on the wrong side, it does not seem helpful to make one's plans public.  Somebody may go to the priest in the spirit of complaint about said plans and he, having no choices at the moment, may quiet things down for the sake of peace in the chapel by publicly disassociating himself with any plans -- at least to the satisfaction of those coming to him with complaints.  Perhaps he does not think any other course would be opportune yet.

Anyway, I understand the need for keeping certain personal details regarding the parties involved in your situation private, but could you perhaps give a little bit more detail so that the rest of us can avoid the same pitfalls that thwarted you this time ?

Thanks.

Oops.....

I have PM'd you.

It seems to me that Seraphim's difficulties illustrate the precariousness of our situation quite well.  Who knows who could be an informant or an infiltrator ?  Also, given the situation in the world, with unjust human laws everyday being passed against those who uphold the natural law -- the media shaping public opinion accordingly to press their advantage, -- we should broaden our vision and realise that these are not just ventures in a struggle against ecclesiastical persecution, the misrule of liberal clerics and so forth.  Indeed, the organisation of trustworthy and orthodox Catholics now may be what carries us over during a political persecution to come.  A disturbing thought, but a realistic one.  For instance, will the Danish government persecute the Catholics there for not going along with their compulsory unnatural "marriage" laws ?  I don't know.  Who could stop them ?  I don't know.  Could this happen in our own countries ?  I don't know.  These are the times in which we live.  Our issues are much larger than the scope of the SSPX.

So, it seems more prudent to organise both (i) underground and (ii) on the most local level.  Announcing these things on the internet is rather counterproductive, too, if your offline identity is well-known at your chapel.  This will make it much more difficult for people to sabotage our communities through infiltration and espionage if it comes to pass that we are forced back into the catacombs, like our forefathers now asleep in Our Lord once had to do when they were being assaulted by the pagan world.  Think of it like being behind the Iron Curtain and being watched by the Stasi.  After all, somebody from that background even works at Menzingen, and he serves the same adversaries of all men as the established powers in all of our countries.

Seriously, though, I don't think this battle is going to be won with bar stools, beer bottles, and right hooks.

Well, I was not totally serious.

Still I value St. Petrus and his fine sword in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Yes, Our Lord told St. Petrus to hold back his sword after he used it in a high precision strike. Not because Our Lord is a pacifist or St. Petrus' behavior was beneath the dignity of a Bishop, but because Our Lord's extradition had to happen in order to fulfill the sacrifice of the cross.

Does the SSPX need to be crucified now? Or will a follower of an Apostle with a (verbal) sword be allowed to stop the Betrayal?

We'll see. It doesn't look well however. Maybe it need be so? Fr. Domenico put it well, yesterday :

Alright. These rosary crusades were all ordered to things opposed to the reunion with the Holy See in a canonical fashion. There was the crusade to free the Old Rite. The result, it was partially freed as long as one was approved by Rome to say it, and that one admitted that the two rites were not really two rites at all, but one, and that no priest could in principle refuse to say the "ordinary form". This docuмent undermines the entire objection of Tradition. The New Rite is invalid in law since it does not the teaching of the Church as manifested in the Council of Trent on the nature of the Mass, among other things, and thus destroys the faith of the people. This was a time bomb, not a miracle.

Secondly, there was the crusade to do away with the supposed excommunications, excommunications that were never valid and thus null. The Pope lifted excommunications from the four bishops. There was no hint they were null. They were valid because as the Pope explained, he had to lift them since the Society no longer denied the papal primacy. The only problem was that that was never denied. Thus we have valid excommunications lifted. No, they were null, not lifted. Strike two.

Third rosary crusade of the consecration of Russia. It hasn't happened and will not until the Pope actually believes in Fatima. No consecration and yet the spectre of a Roman approval with no agreement on doctrine. Not an answer to anything in that direction.

But Our Lady never wastes rosaries. She will answer, but it will not be in this way. I fear a chastisement from God. The chalice is overflowing. The pope will leave Rome over the dead bodies of his cardinals. The answer will come, but to pretend that Our Lady is behind these deceits from Rome is only filling the chalice to overflowing. The recent punishments from Menzingen show that Tradition is now persecuted. There is a new hermeneutic of Archbishop Lefebvre, a new Society. It is nothing like the one I was ordained in.