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Offline Emerentiana

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« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2012, 04:32:41 PM »
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  • All of us need to remember that the priests who first spoke out on  The preamble, are  the ones that will perservere.  The rest who hesitated will be  re educated and stay with the Neo SSPX.

    History repeats itself over and over.  All you have to do is know what happened after Vatican 11.  What about England under Henry the 8th?
    A tiny percentage of priests and bishops spoke out early.  It has been said that 40% of the Bishops during Vatincan 11 were opposed.............but most of them went along with the changes.  If they didnt they were kicked out of their rectories.  Some  that resisted, were re educated.
    This is exactly what will happen to the SSPX.  The re education process has been going on for a long time. It will go in full force  soon.
     The acceptance of the  New  missal was one of the changes.  Now, all of these priests that remain will have to use this new missal, and  accept all of the other changes.  Saying the Novus Ordo will come later, after the re education.
    The Church of the Beast has to clamp down first, and dissolve all tradition.
    I thought maybe more of the SSPX priests would perservere, but due to the small number that spoke out, Ive changed my opinion to 10%.
    I never thought in my lifetime I would see this process repeat itself.
    Im horrified and sickened!
    Im so thankful to God that I was able to perservere in the traditional faith after Vatican 11, and raise my children traditional.
    I have often said "We have not yet resisted unto blood"  I believe thats what is in store for all traditional Catholics who are not sucked into the church of the beast.
    We will be marginalized, as Bishop Williamson is, isolated, and discredited.   We will even be labeled terrorists.

    I see Bishop Williamsonacting as an independent bishop.  I believe he will ordain priests and travel around the world ministering to the remnant Church.  His days with SSPX are finished.  I believe he will be ousted from the Society.

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    « Reply #31 on: July 09, 2012, 05:24:09 PM »
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  •  Benedict XVI and "Pius XII" on +W's Catholicity
    http://z10.invisionfree.com/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=9316
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    Kreuz.net is a German discussion board for traditional Catholics. In August of 2010, a poster there named "Pius XII" described Bp. Williamson's entry into the Church as follows (post #68):

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    Es gibt keine Zukunft des Christentums in Europa ohne Rom, ohne den Papst. Die Kirche war immer bunt und weit, sie war geeint im Dogma (wovon es nicht allzuviele gibt) und in der sichtbaren Institution, die wieder durch den Papst verkörpert wird.
    B. Williamson hat kein Verständnis für die Institution, weil seine Konversion in die Konzilswirren fällt und er „echten“ Katholizismus nie kennengelernt hat, nur Notstandskatholizismus.

    Google translation to English
    There is no future of Christianity in Europe without Rome without the Pope. The church was always colorful and well, she was united in dogma (of which there are not too many) and is visible in the institution that embodies again by the pope.
    B. Williamson has no understanding of the institution, because his conversion is in turmoil and the council he has met the "real" Catholicism never, only emergency Catholicism.

    My touch-up of the Google translation (disclaimer: I don't know German)
    There is no future for Christianity in Europe without Rome, without the Pope. The Church has always been variegated yet united in dogma (of which there are not too many) and is visible in the institution that is embodied by the Pope.
    B. Williamson has no understanding of this institution because his conversion happened during the turmoil of the council, and he has never experienced "real" Catholicism, only crisis Catholicism.


    The following is from Peter Seewald's book, Light of the World, which contains his interview with Benedict XVI. The interview was conducted in July of 2010, but the book did not come out until November 24, 2010. (from The Tablet)

    Seewald: Would you have signed the decree lifting the excommunication if you had known that among the four bishops there was a person who denied the existence of the Nazi gas chambers?

    Benedict: No. If I had known, the first step would have been to separate the Williamson case from the others. Unfortunately, though, none of us went on the Internet to find out what sort of person we were dealing with.
    Williamson is an atypical case in that he was, when you think about, [sic] never Catholic in the proper sense. He was an Anglican and then went over directly to Lefebvre. This means that he has never lived in the great Church, that he has never lived with the Pope …


    I am struck by the similarity of these two statements (the bolded parts), especially given their timing. It's almost as if the key method of discreditation is rehearsed, as if the two popes somehow had conferred on the matter. Benedict XVI speaks it (presumably privately) to Mr. Seewald in July. "Pius XII" writes it in August on a German-based public discussion board. But the book doesn't come out until November.

    In other posts on kruez.net, "Pius XII" identifies himself as a lawyer, is openly derisive of Bishop Williamson, openly promotes the wisdom of Bishop Fellay, and openly advocates for a union between the Society and Rome.


    Not new information but a reminder. It's worth reading the posts of "Pius XII".


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    « Reply #32 on: July 09, 2012, 05:38:48 PM »
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    All of us need to remember that the priests who first spoke out on  The preamble, are  the ones that will perservere.  The rest who hesitated will be  re educated and stay with the Neo SSPX.

    History repeats itself over and over.  All you have to do is know what happened after Vatican 11.  What about England under Henry the 8th?
    A tiny percentage of priests and bishops spoke out early.  It has been said that 40% of the Bishops during Vatincan 11 were opposed.............but most of them went along with the changes.  If they didnt they were kicked out of their rectories.  Some  that resisted, were re educated.
    This is exactly what will happen to the SSPX.  The re education process has been going on for a long time. It will go in full force  soon.
     The acceptance of the  New  missal was one of the changes.  Now, all of these priests that remain will have to use this new missal, and  accept all of the other changes.  Saying the Novus Ordo will come later, after the re education.
    The Church of the Beast has to clamp down first, and dissolve all tradition.
    I thought maybe more of the SSPX priests would perservere, but due to the small number that spoke out, Ive changed my opinion to 10%.
    I never thought in my lifetime I would see this process repeat itself.
    Im horrified and sickened!
    Im so thankful to God that I was able to perservere in the traditional faith after Vatican 11, and raise my children traditional.
    I have often said "We have not yet resisted unto blood"  I believe thats what is in store for all traditional Catholics who are not sucked into the church of the beast.
    We will be marginalized, as Bishop Williamson is, isolated, and discredited.   We will even be labeled terrorists.

    I see Bishop Williamsonacting as an independent bishop.  I believe he will ordain priests and travel around the world ministering to the remnant Church.  His days with SSPX are finished.  I believe he will be ousted from the Society.


    I agree completely...
    But remain confident, The Immaculata will guide & protect us!


    “My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God.”
    - Our Lady of the Rosary, June 1917


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    More disturbing news !
    « Reply #33 on: July 09, 2012, 05:44:16 PM »
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    Not new information but a reminder. It's worth reading the posts of "Pius XII".


    Yes, it is all coordinated.  The lawyer seems to be tasked to serve as intermediary and coordinator of the society for the Zionists, the Freemasons, and the Vatican.

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    « Reply #34 on: July 09, 2012, 06:24:49 PM »
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  • Great Post Emerentiana. God Bless you my friend.


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    « Reply #35 on: July 09, 2012, 07:27:42 PM »
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    Great Post Emerentiana. God Bless you my friend.


    God Bless you too, Cristera!

     

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