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Offline Neil Obstat

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« Reply #150 on: February 01, 2013, 12:23:50 PM »
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  • Source post by sspxbvm


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     FATHER HEWKO MUST GO BACK ... THE WRONG WAY!

      As it stands we cannot throw ... the prophecies of our Lady. God save us.




    Somehow I missed this previously.  I think you're overlooking a lot, sspxbvm.  

    Fr. Hewko is not ... at that point?  

    But this is really ... what's happening, not this topic:  why it should not be
    happening.  


    New thread for this discussion
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    « Reply #151 on: February 01, 2013, 12:28:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: Machabees
    Hello Ambrose,

    Because this thread evolved into another topic -of the Pope and sedevacantism, I thought we can start another thread on this, for others to chime in, and to help it be more organized.  

    I have entitled it: “A broader conversation on sedevacantism and the SSPX”
    Is the Pope Pope; a Formal heretic?


    Good idea!  New thread....


     :whistleblower:  Y'all come over here now!

    (that's the new thread for anyone getting lost in this)
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    « Reply #152 on: February 02, 2013, 01:16:18 PM »
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  • SS, I believe Fr.Celier wrote an article recently addressing what you are talking about. It of course disagrees with you, have you seen it and what do you think?

    In fact, Telesphorus, the purpose of such theological considerations is not somehow to make the problem disappear but only to arrive at the correct explanation of the reality we see, by first of all eliminating what is demonstrably false. Once the idea of an extended sede vacante where all apparent Popes have lost or never had their office is proven false (what you call an "indirect" or "technical" refutation), we can look at the only other alternative, "the evil Pope" and the proper response to it.

    Such elimination itself shows that the remaining alternative, the so called "recognize and resist" position must therefore necessarily be correct, in the face of a Pope who gives a public scandalous example, or otherwise by grave sins whether of omission or commission harms the Faith and the Church - the precise limits of such resistance alone remaining to be delineated.

    Here too, St.Thomas remarks following the incident of St.Paul and St.Peter that prelates may be rebuked even publicly by their inferiors when there is danger to the Faith. St.Robert in describing resistance to unjust commands says it is lawful to resist the Pope "by not doing what he commands and by hindering the execution of his will".

    The eminent Cardinal Cajetan. in agreement with the best theologians, who had seen the reign of Pope Alexander VI (this Pope was also accused by Savonarola "this Alexander VI is in no way Pope and cannot be. The man is not a Christian") and had opposed the bad theologians who had thought the Church ought to be able to depose such a Pope said,

    Quote from: Cardinal Cajetan
    So, if a Pope hardened in evil ways appears, his subordinates, without leaving their own vices, content themselves with daily murmurings against the evil regime; they do not seek to avail themselves, save perhaps in a dream and without faith, of the remedy of prayer; so that what Scripture predicts comes about by their fault, namely that it is due to the sins of the people that a hypocrite reigns over them, holy in respect of his office, but a devil at heart. . . We have become blind to the point of refusing to pray as we ought, while yet desiring the fruit of prayer; of refusing to sow, while still wanting to reap. Let us not call ourselves Christians any longer! Or if we do, let us turn to Christ; and the Pope, were he frantic, furious, tyrannical, a render, dilapidator and corrupter of the Church, would be overcome.


    Indeed in reading the theologians, one is struck by the fact that they say in many words only in essence what Our Lady already explained with profound simplicity to the three children of Fatima, unpleasant though it may be to some to think that that is all the "solution" consists of - (and later in Akita, to those who accept that, as His Excellency Bishop Williamson does) - that such a Pope and such wayward shepherds in general are the preferred instrument of divine Justice in punishing an unfaithful people (as seen often in the Old Testament), and that prayer and penance for our sins which brought it about and for the Holy Father as well is the only and fitting recourse for the Church at large.

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    « Reply #153 on: February 02, 2013, 01:57:06 PM »
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  • I haven't read the article you're refering to, Nishant, but if Fr. Cekada is claiming in the article that Archbishop Lefebvre was hostile to sedevacantism, he is wrong. I've already provided quotes from the Archbishop that clearly show he was open to the position.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #154 on: February 02, 2013, 02:44:33 PM »
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  • SSS, it was Fr.Celier of the SSPX, not Fr.Cekada. :-) I'd embedded the link in the previous post, but I think it wasn't visible. It's entitled "Interpreting the words of Archbishop Lefebvre".

    http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/interpreting_words_of_archbishop_lefebvre_1_5-22-2012.htm



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    « Reply #155 on: February 02, 2013, 02:46:11 PM »
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  • Father Celier is the one whose book was foreworded and edited by a freemason who writes for Grand Orient Journals.


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    « Reply #156 on: February 02, 2013, 02:56:02 PM »
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  • Oh? A search showed me it was discussed here in the past. I did not know of the allegations about him at the time I posted it.

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    « Reply #157 on: February 02, 2013, 03:16:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nishant
    SSS, it was Fr.Celier of the SSPX, not Fr.Cekada. :-) I'd embedded the link in the previous post, but I think it wasn't visible. It's entitled "Interpreting the words of Archbishop Lefebvre".

    http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/interpreting_words_of_archbishop_lefebvre_1_5-22-2012.htm



    Ah, sorry. I was not reading your post from my computer, I was reading it from a screen where the page and words were smaller. So it looked like Fr. Cekada to me. My apologies.

    Nevertheless, I don't care what Fr. Celier says about the words of the Archbishop. I skimmed through that article months ago, and I thought it was more typical Menzingen propoganda.

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    Father Celier is the one whose book was foreworded and edited by a freemason who writes for Grand Orient Journals.


    Wow, I had not heard this.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.


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    « Reply #158 on: February 02, 2013, 05:15:35 PM »
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  • I did some research, and it appears the foreward from Fr. Celier's book "Bendict XVI and the Traditionalists" was apparently written by a man named Jean-Luc Maxence, who has actually written a few books about Masonry and its symbolism.

    Tele, do you have a source that proves he was a Mason?
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    « Reply #159 on: February 02, 2013, 05:25:30 PM »
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  • It appears that his father, Jean-Pierre Maxence, although a Catholic, was sympathetic to Judaism.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #160 on: February 02, 2013, 05:35:04 PM »
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  • Quote from: ServusSpiritusSancti
    I did some research, and it appears the foreward from Fr. Celier's book "Bendict XVI and the Traditionalists" was apparently written by a man named Jean-Luc Maxence, who has actually written a few books about Masonry and its symbolism.

    Tele, do you have a source that proves he was a Mason?


    There is no doubt in my mind that he is one.

    http://www.resistance-catholique.org/articles_html/2010/06/RC_2010-06-25_C_Dossier_LA-FACE-OCCULTE-DE-LA-FSSPX_Le-franc-macon-Jean-Luc-Maxence.html

    We have SSPX priests working in conjunction with the servants of satan, because they seek to belong to the conciliar one world religion.




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    « Reply #161 on: February 02, 2013, 06:37:31 PM »
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  • Wow, thanks, Tele. That was incredible.

    Using Google Translate, it appears that Maxence said the following in one of his books about Archbishop Lefebvre:

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    As a "sumptuously dressed prelate, walking from Lille to Besançon his endless pectoral cross, his purple belt and amethyst ring! "(Page 9), the founder of the SSPX, described as" absurdly stubborn "(page 126), is described as" Savonarola Lace "(page 144) and" Savonarola junk "(4th coverage)!


    And Fr. Celier wants to tell us how to "interpret" the words of Archbishop Lefebvre, when he chose a Freemason who criticized the Archbishop to write his book's foreward?

    Thank you for that link, Tele. I am now 100% that Fr. Celier is a rat in the wall, and that Maxence is a disgrace.

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    We have SSPX priests working in conjunction with the servants of satan, because they seek to belong to the conciliar one world religion.


    Very true.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

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    « Reply #162 on: February 02, 2013, 07:58:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: Nishant
    SSS, it was Fr.Celier of the SSPX, not Fr.Cekada. :-) I'd embedded the link in the previous post, but I think it wasn't visible. It's entitled "Interpreting the words of Archbishop Lefebvre".

    http://www.sspx.org/archbishop_lefebvre/interpreting_words_of_archbishop_lefebvre_1_5-22-2012.htm


    The Society's website claims that was taken from a book Fr. Celier wrote in 2007. It had to have been the same one with a foreward written by a Freemason who criticized Archbishop Lefebvre.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.