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Offline Ladislaus

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Misogyny within Tradition
« on: April 06, 2019, 04:39:40 PM »
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  • You are a fool. Your rubbish doesn't even deserve a response.

    It is 100% Catholic and 100% traditional for nuns to teach children. That is in keeping with God's natural order. Adults (male and female) are in authority over, and ABOVE, all children -- both male and female. That is how God designed things. I'll give you a hint: the family. Both mother AND father have authority over all their children, both male and female.

    You sound like some kind of barely Catholic misogynist. You are letting  your hatred of women warp your thinking.

    Yes, I've been calling out misogyny here on CathInfo for a while now.  I'm glad you're seeing this too.  And I've known a lot of these types in the Traditional movement.  They have insecurities vis-a-vis women, usually due to their struggles with impurity, so they seek to dominate and oppress women at every opportunity as a way of attempting to re-assert this control.  But it's the wrong solution to the problem.  Instead of seeking mastery over women, seek mastery over yourself first, and then you'll be able to have a more balanced (and Catholic) view of the relationship between men and women.

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #1 on: April 06, 2019, 04:42:18 PM »
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  • The leadership of the neo-SSPX seems to believe that they can "Save the Church" despite the horrible Modernists in the conciliar hierarchy. They seem to have the idea that God will be on their side, and they don't really have to worry about the Modernist sect that occupies the Church. Maybe they are hindered, though, in that they haven't been able to convince all of the members of the SSPX of this yet.

    I believe that they have this fantasy in their minds:

    SSPX gets regularized, and the number of priests/seminarians explodes.  So amazed is the Church as this fruit of Tradition, that people start returning to Traditiona en masse.  Then, at a conclave in the near future, +Fellay gets the nod and is elected Pope, and the Church is restored.


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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #2 on: April 06, 2019, 05:07:39 PM »
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  • I believe that they have this fantasy in their minds:

    SSPX gets regularized, and the number of priests/seminarians explodes.  So amazed is the Church as this fruit of Tradition, that people start returning to Traditiona en masse.  Then, at a conclave in the near future, +Fellay gets the nod and is elected Pope, and the Church is restored.
    Ah yes -- and this fantasy has no connection to pride or vainglory, I'm sure.
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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #3 on: April 06, 2019, 05:11:18 PM »
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    They have insecurities vis-a-vis women, usually due to their struggles with impurity, so they seek to dominate and oppress women at every opportunity as a way of attempting to re-assert this control. 
    That’s a broad brush you’re painting with.  There are a number of reasons that men are fed up with women today (catholic and non-catholic), and many of the reasons have nothing to do with men, but the growth of feminism, which leads many women to be self-centered, career-oriented, superficial and aggressive.  It’s a real problem, especially for those under the age of 40 and these women are a scourge to society even outside of dating.  Obviously some men have turned bitter and hateful, but this is a natural reaction (at least in the short term).  Long term, they have to accept reality.  But the women are owed the negative emotions, by and large, even Trad women.  It’s sad but true.  It’s pervasive. 

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #4 on: April 06, 2019, 05:40:01 PM »
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  • But the women are owed the negative emotions, by and large, even Trad women.  It’s sad but true.  It’s pervasive.

    Returning broad brush for broad brush.  Of course what I wrote does not apply to everyone; it's just my personal experience with the Chrysostom types.  So, for instance, you too are strongly against feminism ... but I do not detect misogyny in your posts.  Yet there is a certain profile that seems to follow a common pattern.


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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #5 on: April 06, 2019, 06:21:11 PM »
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  • That’s a broad brush you’re painting with.  There are a number of reasons that men are fed up with women today (catholic and non-catholic), and many of the reasons have nothing to do with men, but the growth of feminism, which leads many women to be self-centered, career-oriented, superficial and aggressive.  It’s a real problem, especially for those under the age of 40 and these women are a scourge to society even outside of dating.  Obviously some men have turned bitter and hateful, but this is a natural reaction (at least in the short term).  Long term, they have to accept reality.  But the women are owed the negative emotions, by and large, even Trad women.  It’s sad but true.  It’s pervasive.
    It's the communists who have done this to women.  It isn't their fault at all.  It's as much the fault of women that they think the way they do today, and then act on the way that they think, as it would be the fault of my children if they developed early onset diabetes, after I supplied them with as much candy and ice cream as they could eat, every day for the first ten years of their lives.  Women have been conditioned to think and behave the way that they do today because the communists figured out a long time ago how to manipulate them.  There is mountains of information about this online, but long story short: women do what they think is expected of them.  If society expects them to act a certain way, a majority of women will do it.  If they think that everyone else their age is having sex, a majority of them will do it.  If everyone else is dressing a certain way, a majority of women will do it.  That is how they hold society together.  They are group oriented and try not to get disconnected from the group.  When they are connected to the group, they feel like they are doing the right thing.  God designed them this way.  The communists figured this out a LONG time ago and have been using it against us by targeting their propaganda at women.  And children.  They don't target it at men, because they know that it doesn't work on men.  What does work on men?  Power, money, and the drive to procreate.  Convince half of society that something crazy is true, and that they have to punish any men who refuse to believe the crazy thing.  Like that transvestites are really women.
    This is what's going on with the women today, and I do not at all blame it on women.  I blame it on our real enemies and we all know who THEY are.

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #6 on: April 06, 2019, 06:31:17 PM »
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  • It's the communists who have done this to women.  It isn't their fault at all.  
    . . .
    This is what's going on with the women today, and I do not at all blame it on women.  I blame it on our real enemies and we all know who THEY are.
    So all the blame is on the Jews (or the communists)? You are saying that women have no agency and have no responsibility for their own actions. Eve ate of the fruit and was guilty. I blame women for their own sins. When a woman is tempted by the devil and falls and listens to the devil, the woman is to blame.
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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #7 on: April 06, 2019, 06:54:27 PM »
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  • So all the blame is on the Jews (or the communists)? You are saying that women have no agency and have no responsibility for their own actions. Eve ate of the fruit and was guilty. I blame women for their own sins. When a woman is tempted by the devil and falls and listens to the devil, the woman is to blame.
    They're all individually guilty for their individual sins.  They're not guilty as a group for the state of the world.  
    As far as their individual sins, I'm not going to get specific and start coming through hypotheticals, but if it's something they're blind to, that minimizes their agency in it.  If it's something they see and choose to do, that maximizes their agency.  Same as us.  But we have different blindspots, and men have better ability to smell bs.


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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #8 on: April 06, 2019, 07:02:38 PM »
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  • And also, if women are misbehaving in society today, it's because men allowed the situation to get to where it got.  Adam could have told Eve to pound sand.  Men today are so weak and effeminate.  They're addicted to porn, alcohol, and video games.  Men should be stepping up to the plate and acting like men if they want women to act like they should.

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #9 on: April 06, 2019, 07:09:46 PM »
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  • And also, if women are misbehaving in society today, it's because men allowed the situation to get to where it got.  Adam could have told Eve to pound sand.  Men today are so weak and effeminate.  They're addicted to porn, alcohol, and video games.  Men should be stepping up to the plate and acting like men if they want women to act like they should.
    Amen.  Don't many men have as large a wardrobe, and as many cosmetics as women.  S-C-A-R-Y.  

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #10 on: April 06, 2019, 08:12:02 PM »
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    Returning broad brush for broad brush.  Of course what I wrote does not apply to everyone; it's just my personal experience with the Chrysostom types.  So, for instance, you too are strongly against feminism ... but I do not detect misogyny in your posts.  Yet there is a certain profile that seems to follow a common pattern.
    Ok, Touche.  Let's just say that it's the 80/20 rule.  20% of men are mysogynists and 20% of women are true feminists.  The rest of the 80% of both men and women are normal humans, who are swayed by the social norms and attitudes of the day.  In other words, in most cases, you have 20% of the population who are very passionate about something and the rest of the 80% just picks sides, but not strongly.

    However, i'd argue that of the 80% of men and women, there are more women infected with partial-feminism than there are men who are partial-mysogynists.  Why?  Because society for the last 80+ years has been promoting, non-stop, feminist ideals.  If anything, most men are pacifists and effeminate today, not mysogynists.  Most men have been corrupted to REACT irrationally and emotionally (i.e. unmanly...instead of using their reason), and they have been corrupted to laziness and apathy - but not to hatred of women.

    Yes, there are plenty of men like Chrysostom who let their hate take over, but i'd argue that some of the anger is justified.  I come across all sorts of women nowadays (both at work, in social settings, and just in stores) where their attitude is uncalled for.  And this has nothing to do with attractive women or impurity or anything else.  It has to do with a lack of manners, a lack of respect and an aggressive, hostile or demeaning attitude.  I can see how some men would lash out because of this, eventually.  This doesn't make their reactions correct, but it's understandable.  In our day and age, misogyny (or more correctly, being angry at hostile/entitled women) can have nothing to do with impurity or dating at all.  It can be related to that, sure, but not necessarily...that's my main point.


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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #11 on: April 06, 2019, 08:37:55 PM »
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    It's the communists who have done this to women.  It isn't their fault at all.  It's as much the fault of women that they think the way they do today, and then act on the way that they think, as it would be the fault of my children if they developed early onset diabetes, after I supplied them with as much candy and ice cream as they could eat, every day for the first ten years of their lives.  

    Excellent points.


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    Women have been conditioned to think and behave the way that they do today because the communists figured out a long time ago how to manipulate them.  

    Part of it is conditioning but part of it is fallen nature.  Yes, women are being manipulated for social and political reasons, but on a deeper level, feminism is a temptation to pride, whereby women are tempted to lust for independence and control, the 2 main areas where God punished Eve after the fall in the garden.  Due to Original Sin, God ordained that all women be subjected to their husbands (i.e. lack of independence) and that men would rule over them (i.e. lack of control).  Women are always tempted to these things, and they always challenge men for control in a relationship, even if, as feminism shows, when women get control, they are unhappy because it is contrary to their nature to be in charge.



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    There is mountains of information about this online, but long story short: women do what they think is expected of them.  If society expects them to act a certain way, a majority of women will do it.  If they think that everyone else their age is having sex, a majority of them will do it.  If everyone else is dressing a certain way, a majority of women will do it.  That is how they hold society together.  They are group oriented and try not to get disconnected from the group.  When they are connected to the group, they feel like they are doing the right thing.  God designed them this way.  The communists figured this out a LONG time ago and have been using it against us by targeting their propaganda at women.  And children.  They don't target it at men, because they know that it doesn't work on men.  What does work on men?  Power, money, and the drive to procreate.  Convince half of society that something crazy is true, and that they have to punish any men who refuse to believe the crazy thing.  Like that transvestites are really women.
    This is what's going on with the women today, and I do not at all blame it on women.  I blame it on our real enemies and we all know who THEY are.
    Agree.  Of course you can't blame women for their natural human weaknesses or for the corruption due to Original Sin, but that doesn't excuse them from succumbing to temptation and acting like men.  It also doesn't excuse men from acting like wussies and allowing their families to be corrupted.  But...i'd argue that today, due to the acute and pervasive propaganda which is being used against the female gender, that more women are corrupted (on average, to a deeper degree) than men.  

    We've had many centuries where men were weak, amoral and absentee fathers.  The family survived because women were moral and held society together.  But never before in the history of man has there been such a degradation of womankind on such a large scale.  I just think it's unprecedented.  Can a culture survive when women are corrupted to such an extent?  We're finding out the answer is "no".

    I can't remember which holy person said this, but someone said that before the Age of Mary in the last days, there would be the age of eve, where the devil would try to recreate the pride of the Garden of Eden everywhere.  But Mary would conquer satan through the humility of her children, just as Her humility brought about the Redeemer, who saved the world from its sins.

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #12 on: April 06, 2019, 09:23:59 PM »
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  • Anyone here ever cross the border from Mexico to the U.S.? I have many times and believe me the U.S. female border control/immigration police are most unpleasant to deal with. All with whom I've spoken to about this hope that their car is inspected everytime by a male. Does something unnatural happen to a woman when she puts on a uniform and works in position of authority? 

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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #13 on: April 06, 2019, 09:41:18 PM »
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  • And also, if women are misbehaving in society today, it's because men allowed the situation to get to where it got.  Adam could have told Eve to pound sand.  Men today are so weak and effeminate.  They're addicted to porn, alcohol, and video games.  Men should be stepping up to the plate and acting like men if they want women to act like they should.
    I agree with this.
    We all call it the sin of Eve, but God did not punish them until Adam sinned.
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    Re: Misogyny within Tradition
    « Reply #14 on: April 07, 2019, 04:47:45 AM »
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  • Anyone here ever cross the border from Mexico to the U.S.? I have many times and believe me the U.S. female border control/immigration police are most unpleasant to deal with. All with whom I've spoken to about this hope that their car is inspected everytime by a male. Does something unnatural happen to a woman when she puts on a uniform and works in position of authority?
    Women in positions of power are afraid they won't be taken seriously(and why would they be, it's unnatural) so they try to imitate men and over-exaggerate in order to over-compensate for their softer natures and less intimidating statures.

     

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