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Offline Neil Obstat

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Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners.
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2013, 03:27:39 AM »
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    These priests make it up as they go along; one can only assume their flocks have bad memories or are new generations imbibing new justifications. They think one way of bringing down Bp. Williamson is to review the role and importance of the Society's bishops and infer they are a fading resource when it comes to the future. In other words, cut loose from the Society, Bp. W has even less standing and the resisting priests have none at all.

    But this is familiar stuff. Only the SSPX has special licence to disobey Rome!!!!!!!




    This is great.  Only the ExSPX has a special license to disobey Rome, but
    now the Menzingen-denizens are EAGER TO GIVE THAT UP by making a
    'deal' with modernist Rome by which they'll come under the power of
    said Rome -- and then bye-bye special license!!!!  




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    Offline Kazimierz

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    Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners.
    « Reply #16 on: June 15, 2013, 05:00:02 PM »
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  • So much for moving to Rocky Mountain House (if I was able) :facepalm:

    Alberta....one of many liturgical potholes on the Road of Traditional Liturgy

    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners.
    « Reply #17 on: June 15, 2013, 05:26:13 PM »
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  • I, like Donkath, received this by email this morning. As I read the letter, for some reason, I was thinking of Monty Python.
     
    Then I went to the Google swill pool to find out who is this Fr Francis Ockerse and found this post.

    Every SSPX article I tried "The page could not be found". Really truth IS stranger than fiction!

    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners.
    « Reply #18 on: June 17, 2013, 12:43:10 AM »
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    I, like Donkath, received this by email this morning. As I read the letter, for some reason, I was thinking of Monty Python.
     
    Then I went to the Google swill pool to find out who is this Fr Francis Ockerse and found this post.

    Every SSPX article I tried "The page could not be found". Really truth IS stranger than fiction!



    That is exactly what happened to me when I tried to find it on SSPX website.
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."

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    Letter to Rocky Mountain parishioners.
    « Reply #19 on: June 17, 2013, 01:14:57 AM »
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  • A friend who is trying to be fair quoted that middle section of Fr. Ockerse's letter
    in reply to my OP analysis.  The part that says,

    "Do not forget that when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated the 4 SSPX bishops he made it clear that they have no jurisdiction what so ever as only the pope could delegate them any 'word of the law' (jurisdiction).  If they claimed any jurisdiction, the excommunication would have been valid according to Canon Law. (cjc. 1382).

    "They were entirely under the authority of the Superior General and they could not exercise those things pertaining to their episcopacy (conferring confirmations and ordaining priests) except under orders from the Superior General.

    At the moment Bp. Williamson and all the other priests of the revolt have no legitimate jurisdictional attachment to the vine not having any attachment to a legitimate superior incardinating or ingrafting them into the vine of the Church."

     
    My friend then quotes a lengthy statement by Fr. Scott wherein he (the friend) highlights the following as if to prove a case against the argument I raised.  But which, in fact, supports it.  I was somewhat bemused as I wrote the following reply:

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    Fr. Scott writes:

    "Unable to confer upon his priests the power of jurisdiction, Archbishop Lefebvre was nevertheless able to confer the fullness of the power of Holy Orders so that they could fulfill an Episcopal ministry, "to give Confirmation to your children, and to be able to confer ordinations in our various seminaries." These are the two airsacraments that the four bishops have constantly administered ever since, thus guaranteeing the continuing of the work of Tradition, of the Society of Saint Pius X, and insuring that it would never be watered down, absorbed by or taken over by the modernist infiltration in the Church. "


    This is exactly what was quoted in my email to you (friend) from the answer to Question 9 that I sent you .  Because Archbishop Lefebvre, was 'excommunicated', he no longer received Ordinary jurisdiction, which only comes through the Pope.   But he knew he could draw on Extraordinary jurisdiction which is supplied in times of crisis.  He ordained priests for the exact reason stated above in his statement.   He was unable to confer upon them the 'type' of jurisdiction that comes from the Pope himself.

    Father Ockerse is contradicting what is said in the SSPX Q/A' itself.  He indicates the SG is NOW receiving the jurisdiction which flows from the Pope which is Ordinary jurisdiction.  When and how did that happen?  That is only possible if the SG has submitted to conciliar Rome and the present Pope - with the result that the extraordinary type is no longer necessary.  But we, the laity have not submitted to conciliar Rome.   We are not members of the SSPX, only the priests are members.  Archbishop LeFebvre, Bishops Williamson et al, priests ordained by ABL received  jurisdiction through the Extraordinary means provided by the Church.   In other words, it was supplied during times of crisis.  ABL taught that from the beginning.  It was how he countered Rome's unjust excommunication of him and convinced the laity that they should have no fear regarding the power of  priests, ordained by him, to offer Mass and the Sacraments.  Finally, why are the laity not informed that they, through Bishop Fellay, are now fully recognised by Rome since he is now fully exhonerated/pardoned/forgiven and receives Ordinary jurisdiction.  Suddenly, without warning, the priests who believed ABL, whether expelled or not, have unceremoniously dismissed, or linked up without their personal consent or knowledge to conciliar Rome?
     
    I repeat from Q9: The priests of the SSPX do not have jurisdiction this way (Ordinary).  

    What I saw as I wrote these words is that BF must already have a defacto-cuм-private agreement with Rome.  I arrived at this conclusion by using common-sense.   But whenever I post my conclusions, I am constantly confronted with questions that demand specific quotes that frame those conclusions.  
    "In His wisdom," says St. Gregory, "almighty God preferred rather to bring good out of evil than never allow evil to occur."