Quote from: SeanJohnson

Quote from: magdalena

Interesting thought, Sean.  What I think is that a lot of people will leave and never return due to his visit.  And they won't necessarily be the "dissidents".    

You might be right, but I had the opposite impression:

The ignorant, brain-dead masses who remained deliberately ignorant on the issues found him to be quite persuasive.

It was like audible Soma for them.

It was quiet.  You could have heard a pin drop.  But I think that kind of thing turns decent people away--at least gentler hearts and newcomers.  They'll go find an indult parish somewhere, which is what the SSPX is sadly becoming anyhow.

And, of course, it didn't help that he was our former pastor.  Father Rostand should have sent someone else.  It makes it hurt that much more.  

Wait until next week.

The ignorant, brain-dead masses who remained deliberately ignorant on the issues found him to be quite persuasive.

Similar in Ireland with the Bishop Fellay and Fr Pfluger. Some found them both persuasive.

There was not a peace, but tolerance.
A person such as yourself is making that less possible.
You are a dissident, you are a hypocrite. You were not threatened with expulsion, but asked to leave.
It,s an SSPX Chapel and so reasonable that an SSPX priest would express the sentiments of the SSPX there. Why are you still there?

There was not a peace, but tolerance.
A person such as yourself is making that less possible.
You are a dissident, you are a hypocrite. You were not threatened with expulsion, but asked to leave.
It,s an SSPX Chapel and so reasonable that an SSPX priest would express the sentiments of the SSPX there. Why are you still there?

dwintell,

What is your opinion regarding the blasphemy of the Mother of God by Bishop Fellay and using the Holy Rosary to deceive both priests and laity?

If you are going to hector SeanJohnson, will you answer that question.

Also should Bishop Fellay face a tribunal?

Quite suitable for the resistance.

There was not a peace, but tolerance.
A person such as yourself is making that less possible.
You are a dissident, you are a hypocrite. You were not threatened with expulsion, but asked to leave.
It,s an SSPX Chapel and so reasonable that an SSPX priest would express the sentiments of the SSPX there. Why are you still there?

This is a telling post:

1) It acknowledges that under Fr. Webber there was civility;

2) But according to this post, there was hatred under the surface of the accordista civility (which was not always civil);

3) Our existance must be blotted out from the chapel;

4) No thought given to the consequences of depriving others of the sacraments, or bearing responsibility for that instigation, should it occur;

5) Only of snuffing out our voices;

6) Voices which have always been very discrete at the chapel (at least mine);

7) But they have decided no longer to "tolerate" us.

8) So they have preferred open warfare, regardless of the consequences to souls, or division in the parish which they are instigating;

9)  Tell me, how is a person such as myself making it less possible for you to act in a manner becomming Catholics?

10) Did you see me single out any parishioner for attack (as Harry Peterson has publicly done)?

11) For the record, I have not been asked to leave, and will continue attending until told to abstain.

12) Why am I still there?

13) Because my beliefs are the same as they ever were, but were never a problem until forced to choose between truth and authority (which are no longer united);

14) Because it is my strict right to be there;

15) Because so long as Fr. Webber remains, the faith is safeguarded, whatever is happening elsewhere in the SSPX;

16) Because I refuse to be intimidated by the attack campaign now apparently organized to drive us from our rightful parish;

17) Because it is you that should be leaving, and not I;

18) Because I have always been discrete at the chapel, arriving precisely at Mass time, and leaving immediately after, and avoiding confrontational situations by staying out of the basement after Mass.

Unless Fr. Beck tells me I can no longer attend, I will continue to do so.

Unless Fr. Beck tells me I can no longer attend, I will continue to do so.

Even after everything that has taken place thus far?

Sean Johnson- Please be assured of my prayers for you and your family. This crisis clearly affects some more than others. Thank you very much for relaying the information you heard and passing it on. And though it is self-beneficial, your posting of the counter-arguments is also very beneficial to read as well!

What would be excellent is a debate between a Resistance priest and NeoSSPX preiest.

Wait- even better- between +Fellay and +Williamson!

 

I seriously don't think +Williamson would want to waste his time. There would be no point. We wouldn't convince the Accordistas, and they certainly wouldn't change our minds!

The Resistance knows where it is at, so we move on, and use our time and resources more wisely.