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Author Topic: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter  (Read 59504 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #490 on: March 17, 2023, 11:25:26 AM »
With all due respect, Fr. Paul Kramer has exhaustively written in his two volumes to demonstrate that it is definitive magisterial doctrine that the pubic sin of manifest formal heresy separates the heretic from the Church, and consequently any cleric holding office automatically loses that office and the jurisdiction that comes with it.  On my part, I have given you many quotations from his works and also the quote from Pope Pius XII and the theologians that reiterated his teaching that heresy by its nature separates one from the Church.  Yet you still question whether it is definitive magisterial teaching as if Fr. Kramer just pulled what he wrote out of thin air.  My suggestion to you is to read his works and then rebut if you don't agree.
Fr. Kramer would do better to explain to those who've fallen into his same error, how a Catholic who has fallen into the mortal sin of heresy and wishes to repent, can (and is urged by the Church) to walk into the confessional, confess his sins, and receive absolution if he is not a member.





Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #491 on: March 18, 2023, 07:38:56 AM »
Fr. Kramer would do better to explain to those who've fallen into his same error, how a Catholic who has fallen into the mortal sin of heresy and wishes to repent, can (and is urged by the Church) to walk into the confessional, confess his sins, and receive absolution if he is not a member.

One who was baptized in the Catholic Church and then separates himself from the Catholic Church by the public sin of manifest formal heresy can return to her through confession and receive absolution.


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« Reply #492 on: March 18, 2023, 08:50:14 AM »
One who was baptized in the Catholic Church and then separates himself from the Catholic Church by the public sin of manifest formal heresy can return to her through confession and receive absolution.

Is one who is baptized but who separates himself from the Catholic Church by heresy still considered Catholic, in your view? If not, then what would he be called, if not Catholic? 

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #493 on: March 18, 2023, 08:56:10 AM »
One who was baptized in the Catholic Church and then separates himself from the Catholic Church by the public sin of manifest formal heresy can return to her through confession and receive absolution.
Which is to say, exactly the same as any other Catholic who separates himself from the Catholic Church by sinning.

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #494 on: March 25, 2023, 08:37:59 AM »
Is one who is baptized but who separates himself from the Catholic Church by heresy still considered Catholic, in your view? If not, then what would he be called, if not Catholic?

He would be called a non-Catholic.