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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #225 on: January 25, 2023, 12:28:10 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on January 25, 2023, 12:13:58 PM
Sean,

For rejecting a manifest heretic?

As Ladislaus has pointed out, the NO conservative has better grounds for calling you as a schismatic for rejecting a valid popes' liturgical reforms and canonizations, even though you hold the NO "valid."

Mind you, I'm not saying I agree with Lad's position, which has its own problems . . . as almost all "solutions" do btw.

DR

I can’t find a definition for schism which includes Lad’s minutiae.

What I do find is that one who rejects the authority of the pope to govern the universal Church is schismatic.

This would seem to include by definition all those who deny the legitimacy of Francis, does it not?

PS: And since the Church has not determined his pertinacity, by definition he is not a “formal manifest” heretic (as has been repeatedly discussed).
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #226 on: January 25, 2023, 12:54:14 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 25, 2023, 12:00:44 PM
...but not his jurisdiction over the Church, as has been repeatedly shown.

What kind of jurisdiction?
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #227 on: January 25, 2023, 12:56:10 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on January 25, 2023, 12:17:27 PM
You've repeated this a few times now that the Church binds us to believe this, yet any and every Catholic who has fallen into the mortal sin of heresy and wants to repent, can (and must) do what *only* members of the Church are permitted (and encouraged) to do, namely, walk into the confessional, confess their sins and receive absolution, just like you have to, and I have to , and all Catholics have to.

So by saying what you said, are you saying the Church actually permits all those outside of the Church to use her sacrament of penance?

If the heretic is excommunicated by name by the Church, what would he have to do?
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #228 on: January 25, 2023, 12:59:59 PM »
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #229 on: January 25, 2023, 01:03:38 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 25, 2023, 12:59:59 PM
Ordinary

Is ordinary jurisdiction inextricably bound to an office?
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