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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #220 on: January 25, 2023, 12:00:44 PM »
What we know for certain is that the public sin of manifest formal heresy per se separates one from the Church. 
...but not his jurisdiction over the Church, as has been repeatedly shown.

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #221 on: January 25, 2023, 12:01:43 PM »
Well, if the pope is the pope, then those who reject his legitimacy are per se schismatics.

Yes, except if you have well founded reason(s) to suspect his legitimacy.


Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #222 on: January 25, 2023, 12:02:32 PM »
Yes, except if you have well founded reason to suspect his legitimacy.
Suspicion of heresy can lead to a council to declare, but does not in itself separate one from the Church.

Unless the Church declares the fact of the heresy, the jurisdiction remains.

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #223 on: January 25, 2023, 12:13:58 PM »
Well, if the pope is the pope, then those who reject his legitimacy are per se schismatics.

Sean,

For rejecting a manifest heretic? 

As Ladislaus has pointed out, the NO conservative has better grounds for calling you as a schismatic for rejecting a valid popes' liturgical reforms and canonizations, even though you hold the NO "valid." 

Mind you, I'm not saying I agree with Lad's position, which has its own problems . . . as almost all "solutions" do btw. 

DR 

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #224 on: January 25, 2023, 12:17:27 PM »
The Church binds us to believe with Divine and Catholic Faith that the public sin of manifest formal heresy per se separates the heretic from the Church.....The Church teaching is that the "sin" of heresy separates the heretic from the Church...
Everyone is bound in conscience to hold that the public sin of manifest formal heresy per se separates the heretic from the Church, and this without qualifications.
You've repeated this a few times now that the Church binds us to believe this, yet any and every Catholic who has fallen into the mortal sin of heresy and wants to repent, can (and must) do what *only* members of the Church are permitted (and encouraged) to do, namely, walk into the confessional, confess their sins and receive absolution, just like you have to, and I have to , and all Catholics have to.

So by saying what you said, are you saying the Church actually permits all those outside of the Church to use her sacrament of penance?