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Q. Is a Pope who falls into heresy deprived, ipso jure, of the Pontificate?

A. There are two opinions: one holds that he is by virtue of divine appointment, divested ipso facto, of the Pontificate; the other, that he is, jure divino, only removable. Both opinions agree that he must at least be declared guilty of heresy by the Church, ie, by an ecuмenical council or the College of Cardinals - Rev S B Smith DD, Elements of Ecclesiasticla Law, Benzinger Bros, 1881, 3rd ed, p210

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The thing is that these "popes" didn't fall into heresy.

They were blatant, persistent, public heretics and therefore

out of the Church before they were even elected.

Can a non-Catholic become pope?

It's the equivalent to using a potato chip at the consecration at Mass instead of unleavened bread - it’s invalid matter and no consecration takes place.

A public heretic or apostate is not “valid matter”for any office in the Church as such a one is barred by divine law from the papacy.

So no consecration could take place.

There is no pope to judge.

These theological arguments that go round and round are about judging and deposing a pope.  That's above our paygrade. 

I can't depose them.  That's not my jurisdiction.  That's not for me to worry about.

I just can't worship with them.


The bottom line for me, and I don't try to bind other people's consciences or say they are going to hell if they don't agree

but for me anyway

it's just a matter of basic Catechism.

It's against the First Commandment to pray in union with non-Catholics.

I don't need a Church council to come to my town and declare the Imam down the street or the Protestant preacher a heretic even if they called themselves Catholic.  I have the ability to determine that much on my own.

God gave me eyes and ears.

If somebody dresses up as a priest or even as a pope and tells me that we worship the same god as Muslims (which VII states) then I know they aren't Catholic.  Catholics don't worship Allah.  I don't worship Allah.

Even little ol' me knows that much. 

If even an angel dresses up as pope and preaches a false gospel, I'm commanded to treat them as an anathema.

But these guys aren't even disguised as angels.

They have made it very, very, clear they deny Christ, deny the need for His Sacrifice to go to Heaven, deny His bodily resurrection, they worship in mosques and ѕуηαgσgυєs and with pagans and write books saying that all religions lead to Heaven etc. etc. etc. 

I posted photos earlier in this thread where they walk around blatantly showing themselves to not be Catholics.  Benedict wearing the Star of Remphan on his mitre, Paul VI wearing the Ephod, Benedict getting a witchdoctor blessing, Francis worshipping pajamamama.

They have left the Barque.

They are the leaders of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr One World Religion.

It's blatant and in your face.

God allowed that so even the common man can see it with their own eyes.

I can't pray with non-Catholics.

That would be a sin against the First Commandment.


How can I worship una cuм (in union with) these guys?

How can I join my prayers to theirs?

I don't share the same religion.

I don't share the same gods.

Why should SS quote Billuart "in a futile attempt to refute Bellarmine," when they both agree on the subject?

Either Fr. Kramer has not understood SS's position, or he has not understood Billuart's position, or he has not understood Bellarmine's position (or he has not understood any of their positions).

But that Billuart and Bellarmine agree has already been shown in previous pages.

All the quotes in that post are the words of Fr. Paul Kramer except the quote in quote surrounded by ' marks, which are Fr. Paul Kramer quoting someone else.