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Offline Yeti

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2023, 07:03:24 PM »
Mr. LaRosa-

The distinction between the sin of heresy, and the crime of heresy, has been pointed out to you (along with the further distinction that the jurisdiction of the former is not arrested unless a censure for the latter has been declared).

PS: No hard feelings.  PM me your mailing address, and I’ll send you a free copy of my forthcoming book (which you will actually like).
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Wow, Sean, you have really changed a lot since your break from here. I don't understand how the boorish, belligerent Sean Johnson we used to have on here has turned into the civilized, patient, kind gentleman who wrote the above. It's like being in a bar and seeing some big bruiser wielding broken bottle necks get the worst of some brawl and get 86ed out of there, and then to see the same guy come back to the same bar five months later in a top hat, a monocle, a pipe and an English accent quoting Shakespeare. :laugh1:

When XavierSem disappeared for a while and came back with a radically changed personality like this (changed in a very different way from how you have, though), everyone except me thought the new XavierSem was some sort of imposter, including Matthew, who banned him as a result.

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2023, 08:21:55 PM »
Mr. Johnson, you are not correct.  The public sin of manifest formal heresy per se separates the heretic from the Church.  As a consequence, the heretic loses any office he may have held and the ordinary jurisdiction that comes with it.  This is true regardless of whether he is condemned by the Church for the crime of heresy.
Catholic Knight, 

I agree with you that manifest formal heresy separates the heretic from the Church. I think Sean agrees with you on this point also.

Formal heresy requires demonstration of pertinacity, as has been adequately discussed. This requires demonstration that the culprit understands that he is contradicting a dogma of the Faith and in spite of this knowledge remains obstinate in his heresy.

Where is the evidence that this Pope or any of his predecessors are formal heretics?

Unless the Pope clearly states that he knows the Church teaches xyz, but that he doesn't believe xyz, how can you make a private judgement of a sin of formal heresy without judging the internal forum?

This audio of Canon Hesse posted by some good soul on another thread explains the matter well. Listen particularly from about the 44.30 minute mark to about 50.30:

Fr. Hesse: Freemasonic infiltration in the Vatican, Secretary of State, Opus Dei (Remastered Audio) (bitchute.com)



Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2023, 08:39:37 PM »
Catholic Knight,

I agree with you that manifest formal heresy separates the heretic from the Church. I think Sean agrees with you on this point also.

Formal heresy requires demonstration of pertinacity, as has been adequately discussed. This requires demonstration that the culprit understands that he is contradicting a dogma of the Faith and in spite of this knowledge remains obstinate in his heresy.

Where is the evidence that this Pope or any of his predecessors are formal heretics?

Unless the Pope clearly states that he knows the Church teaches xyz, but that he doesn't believe xyz, how can you make a private judgement of a sin of formal heresy without judging the internal forum?

This audio of Canon Hesse posted by some good soul on another thread explains the matter well. Listen particularly from about the 44.30 minute mark to about 50.30:

Fr. Hesse: Freemasonic infiltration in the Vatican, Secretary of State, Opus Dei (Remastered Audio) (bitchute.com)

I certainly *don’t* agree with your criteria for establishing how a putative pope is removed through “formal” hersey, but here is something that Mr. Bergoglio said that matches your requirements:

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Dear brothers and sisters, division is a wound in the body of the Church of Christ. And we do not want this wound to remain open. Division is the work of the Father of Lies, the Father of Discord, who does everything possible to keep us divided.

Together today, I here in Rome and you over there, we will ask our Father to send the Spirit of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and to give us the grace to be one, “so that the world may believe”. I feel like saying something that may sound controversial, or even heretical, perhaps.

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But there is someone who “knows” that, despite our differences, we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he who is persecuting Christians today, he who is anointing us with (the blood of) martyrdom. He knows that Christians are disciples of Christ: that they are one, that they are brothers! He doesn’t care if they are Evangelicals, or Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic…he doesn’t care!


Offline Yeti

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2023, 09:32:38 PM »
Where is the evidence that this Pope or any of his predecessors are formal heretics?
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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2023, 10:01:21 PM »


Where is the evidence that this Pope or any of his predecessors are formal heretics?


Paul VI:
I thought this was a Catholic symbol.  You mean it isn't??






Bene:
I'm not a learned man.  I haven't studied very much.

I thought this was a Catholic blessing.  You mean it isn't??




I thought this was a Catholic hat.  You mean it isn't??




Frank:
I thought this was a Catholic god.  You mean it isn't??



If only somebody had told me.  ::shrug::





and it goes on and on and on....



clown show
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