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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #80 on: January 20, 2023, 01:02:20 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 20, 2023, 12:17:21 PM
Fr. Kramer's errors regarding his failure to distinguish between discretionary judgments and coercive judgments have already been discussed above, and are at the core of his error regarding Vatican I.

As regards his errors on Mystici Corporis, please see here: http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/formal-reply-to-fr-framer-part-ii.html

Discretionary or coercive judgment, it does not matter because the teaching of Pope Pius XII is speaking about the "sin" of heresy and not the "crime" of heresy.  Even if the Code of Canon Law did not exist (and thereby no "crime" of heresy would exist), the "sin" of heresy still exists.  It is the "sin" of heresy that by its very nature cuts the heretic from the Church.
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2023, 01:03:05 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 20, 2023, 12:54:40 PM
Does the above quote intentionally and specifically pertain to the Pope?

It pertains to all Catholics.
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Offline Meg

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #82 on: January 20, 2023, 01:05:32 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 20, 2023, 01:03:05 PM
It pertains to all Catholics.

The pope isn't "all Catholics." The same rules don't apply to the Papacy.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #83 on: January 20, 2023, 01:12:31 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 20, 2023, 01:05:32 PM
The pope isn't "all Catholics." The same rules don't apply to the Papacy.

No matter, because Mr. LaRosa's fantasies don't apply to Catholics either.

http://www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/formal-reply-to-fr-framer-part-ii.html  
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #84 on: January 20, 2023, 03:43:22 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 20, 2023, 01:05:32 PM
The pope isn't "all Catholics." The same rules don't apply to the Papacy.

You, like Mr. Johnson, seem to miss the distinction between the "sin" of heresy vs. the "crime" of heresy.  The "sin" of heresy applies to all Catholics.  The "crime" of heresy is nuanced when it comes to a putative pope.  Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis is speaking about the "sin" of heresy.  Pope Pius XII's teaching stands regardless of whether heresy is defined as a crime or not.
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