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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2023, 06:51:15 AM »
“Hence, if anyone shall dare — which God forbid! — to think otherwise than as has been defined by us, let him know and understand that he is condemned by his own judgment; that he has suffered shipwreck in the faith; that he has separated from the unity of the Church; and that, furthermore, by his own action he incurs the penalties established by law if he should are to express in words or writing or by any other outward means the errors he thinks in his heart.”
(Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus, 1854) [Emphases mine]

The heretic is condemned by his own judgement and separated from the Church.  Any penalties established by the Church in her law (e.g., automatic excommunication) are in addition to the heretic’s self-condemnation. 

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2023, 07:08:35 AM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 17, 2023, 06:51:15 AM
“Hence, if anyone shall dare — which God forbid! — to think otherwise than as has been defined by us, let him know and understand that he is condemned by his own judgment; that he has suffered shipwreck in the faith; that he has separated from the unity of the Church; and that, furthermore, by his own action he incurs the penalties established by law if he should are to express in words or writing or by any other outward means the errors he thinks in his heart.”
(Pope Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus, 1854) [Emphases mine]

The heretic is condemned by his own judgement and separated from the Church.  Any penalties established by the Church in her law (e.g., automatic excommunication) are in addition to the heretic’s self-condemnation. 

What kind of heretic would that be?
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2023, 07:56:26 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 17, 2023, 07:08:35 AM
What kind of heretic would that be?

"After the reception of baptism, if anyone, retaining the name Christian, pertinaciously denies or doubts something to be believed from the truth of divine and Catholic faith, [such a one is] a heretic;"
(Canon 1325 § 2, 1917 Code of Canon Law)
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #43 on: January 17, 2023, 08:02:01 AM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 17, 2023, 07:56:26 AM
"After the reception of baptism, if anyone, retaining the name Christian, pertinaciously denies or doubts something to be believed from the truth of divine and Catholic faith, [such a one is] a heretic;"
(Canon 1325 § 2, 1917 Code of Canon Law)

There’s that pesky word “pertinacious” again. 
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2023, 08:25:14 AM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 17, 2023, 08:02:01 AM
There’s that pesky word “pertinacious” again.

Pertinacity can be determined by one who does not have jurisdiction over the heretic in question.
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