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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2023, 01:32:34 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 09, 2023, 12:48:54 PM
What do you think "manifest" means?
Evident
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2023, 01:39:07 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 09, 2023, 01:32:34 PM
Evident

You would be wrong.

"A pope who merely seems to have lost the Faith, or who has made statements that are erroneous or even heretical, yet who has not openly left the Church or been publicly warned, does not constitute a manifest heretic.  And since no such warnings have been given to any of the post-Vatican II popes, either before or after their election, none of them qualify as a manifest heretic."
https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2013-0315-siscoe-sedevacantism.htm

"Suarez: “in no case, even that of heresy, is the Pontiff deprived of his dignity and of his power immediately by God himself, before the judgment and sentence of men. This is the common opinion today”. (ibid.)
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2023, 02:06:36 PM »
The term "public manifest formal heretic" means one who makes evident to a large number of people that his heresy is pertinacious.
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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2023, 02:08:26 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 09, 2023, 01:39:07 PM
You would be wrong.

"A pope who merely seems to have lost the Faith, or who has made statements that are erroneous or even heretical, yet who has not openly left the Church or been publicly warned, does not constitute a manifest heretic.  And since no such warnings have been given to any of the post-Vatican II popes, either before or after their election, none of them qualify as a manifest heretic."
https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2013-0315-siscoe-sedevacantism.htm

"Suarez: “in no case, even that of heresy, is the Pontiff deprived of his dignity and of his power immediately by God himself, before the judgment and sentence of men. This is the common opinion today”. (ibid.)

No warnings are needed for a "public manifest formal heretic" as defined above.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2023, 02:18:14 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 09, 2023, 02:08:26 PM
No warnings are needed for a "public manifest formal heretic" as defined above.

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