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Offline Catholic Knight

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2023, 12:37:27 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 07, 2023, 09:05:28 AM
And yet Fr. Chazal still refers to them as popes. Do you?

Heresy per se separates a public manifest formal heretic from the Church.  One separated from the Church has no ordinary jurisdiction.  I am assuming that Fr. Chazal holds that Francis has ordinary jurisdiction, but that his exercise of it is illicit.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2023, 12:48:54 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 09, 2023, 12:37:27 PM
Heresy per se separates a public manifest formal heretic from the Church.  One separated from the Church has no ordinary jurisdiction.  I am assuming that Fr. Chazal holds that Francis has ordinary jurisdiction, but that his exercise of it is illicit.

What do you think "manifest" means?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2023, 12:59:16 PM »
Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 07, 2023, 08:46:38 AM
In Issue 24, Fr. Chazal states the following:

"Yet again, allow me to repeat that the jurisdiction of a public heretic is illicit ipso facto....."

The jurisdiction of a public heretic is not only illicit ipso facto, but it is also invalid ipso facto.  A public heretic is not a member of the Church.  Heresy per se separates the public heretic from the Church.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2023, 01:03:24 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 07, 2023, 09:27:22 AM
Actually, they're both wrong:

Juridical acts remain valid and licit unless a declaratory or condemnatory sentence is declared.

...

In other words, even if Francis is a raging heretic, his acts of jurisdiction would be VALID and LICIT, because he was never subject to condemnatory or declaratory sentence.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2023, 01:04:41 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 07, 2023, 10:14:46 AM
...and now Lad has his answer as to why nobody is signing on for the "impoundism" theory.

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