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Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« on: January 07, 2023, 08:46:38 AM »
In Issue 24, Fr. Chazal states the following:

"Yet again, allow me to repeat that the jurisdiction of a public heretic is illicit ipso facto....."

The jurisdiction of a public heretic is not only illicit ipso facto, but it is also invalid ipso facto.  A public heretic is not a member of the Church.  Heresy per se separates the public heretic from the Church.

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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2023, 09:05:28 AM »
In Issue 24, Fr. Chazal states the following:

"Yet again, allow me to repeat that the jurisdiction of a public heretic is illicit ipso facto....."

The jurisdiction of a public heretic is not only illicit ipso facto, but it is also invalid ipso facto.  A public heretic is not a member of the Church.  Heresy per se separates the public heretic from the Church.

And yet Fr. Chazal still refers to them as popes. Do you?


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Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2023, 09:07:29 AM »
https://www.cathinfo.com/files/mcspx/MilesChristi-24.pdf January 2023

A very good communication from Fr. Chazal. He talks briefly about the Bp. Ballini consecration, and touches on many relevant subjects.

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2023, 09:27:22 AM »
In Issue 24, Fr. Chazal states the following:

"Yet again, allow me to repeat that the jurisdiction of a public heretic is illicit ipso facto....."

The jurisdiction of a public heretic is not only illicit ipso facto, but it is also invalid ipso facto.  A public heretic is not a member of the Church.  Heresy per se separates the public heretic from the Church.

Actually, they're both wrong:

Juridical acts remain valid and licit unless a declaratory or condemnatory sentence is declared.

1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 2264:

"Acts of jurisdiction, whether for the external forum or the internal forum, placed by one excommunicated are illicit; and if a condemnatory or declaratory sentence has been laid down, they are also invalid with due regard to prescription of Canon 2261, S. 3 [i.e. the validity and licitness of obtaining acts of sacramental ministry from an excommunicated cleric when one is in danger of death]; otherwise, they are valid and, indeed, are even licit if they are sought by a member of the faithful in accordance with the norm of the mentioned Canon 2261, S. 2 [i.e. seeking sacramental ministry from an excommunicated cleric for any just cause, expecially if other ministers are lacking; no explanation of one's reasons is required]."

In other words, even if Francis is a raging heretic, his acts of jurisdiction would be VALID and LICIT, because he was never subject to condemnatory or declaratory sentence.

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2023, 10:14:46 AM »
Actually, they're both wrong:

Juridical acts remain valid and licit unless a declaratory or condemnatory sentence is declared.

1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 2264:

"Acts of jurisdiction, whether for the external forum or the internal forum, placed by one excommunicated are illicit; and if a condemnatory or declaratory sentence has been laid down, they are also invalid with due regard to prescription of Canon 2261, S. 3 [i.e. the validity and licitness of obtaining acts of sacramental ministry from an excommunicated cleric when one is in danger of death]; otherwise, they are valid and, indeed, are even licit if they are sought by a member of the faithful in accordance with the norm of the mentioned Canon 2261, S. 2 [i.e. seeking sacramental ministry from an excommunicated cleric for any just cause, expecially if other ministers are lacking; no explanation of one's reasons is required]."

In other words, even if Francis is a raging heretic, his acts of jurisdiction would be VALID and LICIT, because he was never subject to condemnatory or declaratory sentence.

...and now Lad has his answer as to why nobody is signing on for the "impoundism" theory.