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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #275 on: January 26, 2023, 07:03:20 PM »
Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 26, 2023, 06:43:03 PM
Yet, I've heard from several sources that he called these popes anti-Christs.
Yes he did, antichrists as you say, not Antichrist.
They undermined the Faith, and now this Pope even more so is undermining morals. As such, they were doing the work of the devil and gravely abusing their position as Vicar of Christ. Theologians have spoken of Popes even wanting to destroy the Church. That is anti-Christ!
Interesting question: Could the Antichrist be a true Pope? Will the Antichrist have the Faith?
Could Pope Francis be a satanist who has the Faith but wants to destroy it because of a diabolical hatred of Christ?
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Offline Miser Peccator

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #276 on: January 26, 2023, 07:09:14 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 26, 2023, 06:58:46 PM
So you believe that they are, or were popes? It seems that you do. Because +ABL certainly did. He was not a sedevacantist, despite the best efforts of sedevacantists on this forum saying otherwise.

No, I don't believe they were popes because a non Catholic cannot become pope.  They were outside the Church before they were elected.  The consecration would not occur.

What I'm saying here is that in the quote you posted ABL says:"Nevertheless, I am not among those who insist or insinuate that Paul Vl was a heretic and therefore, by that very fact, no longer Pope. John Paul I and John Paul II would then not have been legitimately elected. This is the position of those called "sede-vacantists."

And yet he calls them antichrists.

Can you be an antichrist and not be a heretic?

Can you be an antichrist and still remain in the Church?

Can you be an antichrist and be legitimately elected?

Wouldn't an antichrist be invalid matter so no consecration would take place?
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Offline Meg

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #277 on: January 26, 2023, 07:14:31 PM »
Quote from: Miser Peccator on January 26, 2023, 07:09:14 PM
No, I don't believe they were popes because a non Catholic cannot become pope.  They were outside the Church before they were elected.  The consecration would not occur.

What I'm saying here is that in the quote you posted ABL says:"Nevertheless, I am not among those who insist or insinuate that Paul Vl was a heretic and therefore, by that very fact, no longer Pope. John Paul I and John Paul II would then not have been legitimately elected. This is the position of those called "sede-vacantists."

And yet he calls them antichrists.

Can you be an antichrist and not be a heretic?

Can you be an antichrist and still remain in the Church?

Can you be an antichrist and be legitimately elected?

And yet he called them antichrists. Yes. Maybe he saw the situation a bit differently than you? After all, he was not a sedevacantist. He must have looked at the situation differently from you and the other sedevacantists here. 
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #278 on: January 26, 2023, 07:17:53 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 26, 2023, 06:58:46 PM
So you believe that they are, or were popes? It seems that you do. Because +ABL certainly did. He was not a sedevacantist, despite the best efforts of sedevacantists on this forum saying otherwise.
Great posting, Meg, keep up the good work!

Archbishop Lefebvre was utterly shocked by the antics of some of these popes, so much so that he even publicly asked the question as to whether they could be popes, whether a pope could do such a thing, but he never adopted the theoretical, and certainly not the practical, position of the Sedevacantists. To the contrary. 

Even on the eve of his death he gave a conference to the Society Sisters at Saint-Michel-en-Brenne on praying for the Pope in the Canon of the Mass, mocking the SVs understanding of this prayer. There is a short YouTube video of this but I can't find it right now.
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Offline Miser Peccator

Re: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter
« Reply #279 on: January 26, 2023, 07:20:58 PM »
Quote from: Meg on January 26, 2023, 07:14:31 PM
And yet he called them antichrists. Yes. Maybe he saw the situation a bit differently than you? After all, he was not a sedevacantist. He must have looked at the situation differently from you and the other sedevacantists here.

From what I've learned, it took a while for the sedevacantist view to become clear.

Perhaps in time the contradiction of a "non heretic antichrist pope" would have become more clear?

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