Author Topic: Miles Christi volume 24 discussion - Fr Chazal's newsletter (Read 61371 times)

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM »

One who makes evident to a large number of people that his heresy is pertinacious separates himself from the Church by the very fact of that heresy because heresy per se (i.e., in itself) does the separating. This is a teaching of the Church.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2023, 02:38:19 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

One who makes evident to a large number of people that his heresy is pertinacious separates himself from the Church by the very fact of that heresy because heresy per se (i.e., in itself) does the separating. This is a teaching of the Church.

As much as I appreciate self-serving definitions, I think I'll stick with Suarez and "the common opinion."

Ladislaus · « **Reply #22 on:** January 09, 2023, 02:38:27 PM »

I'll move this to a different thread later. Matthew requested that this debate not happen here.

Catholic Knight · « **Reply #23 on:** January 09, 2023, 03:27:13 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 09, 2023, 02:38:19 PM

As much as I appreciate self-serving definitions, I think I'll stick with Suarez and "the common opinion."

“For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy.”
(Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, 23)

“Public heretics (and a fortiori, apostates) are not members of the Church. They are not members because they separate themselves from the unity of Catholic faith and from the external profession of the faith. Obviously, therefore, they lack one of the three factors-baptism, profession of the same faith, union with the hierarchy-pointed out by Pius XII as requisite for membership in the Church (see above, p. 238). The same pontiff has explicitly pointed out that, unlike other sins, heresy, schism, and apostasy, automatically sever a man from the Church. ‘For not every sin, however grave and enormous it be, is such as to sever a man automatically from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy‘ (MCC 30, italics ours).”
(Monsignor G. Van Noort, S.T.D., Dogmatic Theology, Volume II, Christ’s Church, 153)

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #24 on:** January 09, 2023, 03:42:55 PM »

Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 09, 2023, 03:27:13 PM

“For not every sin, however grave it may be, is such as of its own nature to sever a man from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy.”
(Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, 23)

“Public heretics (and a fortiori, apostates) are not members of the Church. They are not members because they separate themselves from the unity of Catholic faith and from the external profession of the faith. Obviously, therefore, they lack one of the three factors-baptism, profession of the same faith, union with the hierarchy-pointed out by Pius XII as requisite for membership in the Church (see above, p. 238). The same pontiff has explicitly pointed out that, unlike other sins, heresy, schism, and apostasy, automatically sever a man from the Church. ‘For not every sin, however grave and enormous it be, is such as to sever a man automatically from the Body of the Church, as does schism or heresy or apostasy‘ (MCC 30, italics ours).”
(Monsignor G. Van Noort, S.T.D., Dogmatic Theology, Volume II, Christ’s Church, 153)

Blah, blah. You don't understand the meaning of the terms you use.

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